SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

ATP

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Yes. Unlike you, who wants to be the tyrannical government killing people, but is to cowardly to do it themselves.


No, because of the laws, the government felt the need to let the cops run wild. That you can't see the link between these two would be shocking, if it wasn't you.


The sex offender registry by its very nature consists of a list of people that... already got punished. Meanwhile, the situation you previously proposed was a world where there is zero recourse to the system in order to get justice (in which case yes, I'd take it into my own hands). But the US, while by no means perfect, does currently punish child rapists that it finds, despite them hiding through a variety of means (including yes, hiding behind Daddy in Hunter's case). But overall, the system works much more than it doesn't. So the situation you proposed previously is not the current situation.

If the situation changed to such a drastic extent, it would become my (and everyone else's) duty to protect kids. So no duh I'd do it to protect anyone's kids. That you wouldn't tells us all what you are.

See, there comes a point at which you must damn the consequences and do what's right, and that's before allowing mass child rape. Apparently that point doesn't exist for you, as you said you are willing to stand by and watch a kid get raped if you don't know them. But this isn't internet tough guy position, this is basic human decency that I think nearly everyone would do given the opportunity. Except you, apparently.


The if I was a government agent is why I know you're full of shit. Because you are never going to make that if a true statement. You'll just send others to die and kill in order to fulfill your authoritarian fantasies.

Meanwhile, my if? My if's a threat about what other people might do. Don't make it a true statement, and we're all good. Hence why I advised you to stack up and try, but good on you for knowing when you are out matched. First piece of sense I've ever seen from you. Now maybe you could call this ITG. Try me and find out.


Come and find out.


No, given your morals are fine watching kids you don't know get raped if it's 'legal', I don't believe they are actually based on historical tradition or faith. Last I checked, just standing by while a kid was raped would be called a sin.


And why is this legal under the constitution? The Equal protection clause. Which also applies to sex, which means that equal recognition of same sex marriage is also demanded by the constitution. That's where it is in the constitution.

Nope,it mean that pederast sex is not targeted,not that it become marriage.And,leftist in EU decided that snail is fish.
So? it is still snail.Just like pederast sex is not marriage.
Leftist are trying to made new reality by changing meaning of words,but they fail again
 

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Nope,it mean that pederast sex is not targeted,not that it become marriage.And,leftist in EU decided that snail is fish.
So? it is still snail.Just like pederast sex is not marriage.
Leftist are trying to made new reality by changing meaning of words,but they fail again
No, again, you don't seem to know what you are talking about. It's not that the usual definition of any word changed, that's irrelevant. It's that the US and US state governments decided to try to define what marriage was, but they are limited by the constitution. And the constitution doesn't allow the government to define a benefit in a way that discriminates based on sex.
 

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Yes. Unlike you, who wants to be the tyrannical government killing people, but is to cowardly to do it themselves.
No, because of the laws, the government felt the need to let the cops run wild. That you can't see the link between these two would be shocking, if it wasn't you.
I’m linking these two together. Taking the rights of an entire nation is more dangerous than one pedo. Yet you aren’t going around killing cops you fucking pussy. You don’t fight the government you are sitting at home in air conditioned room on the computer. You aren’t a freedom fighter you let the government spy on you and just bitch about it online. So don’t call me a coward because I’m not going around doing violence when you aren’t either. You trying to sound like a glowie?

The sex offender registry by its very nature consists of a list of people that... already got punished. Meanwhile, the situation you previously proposed was a world where there is zero recourse to the system in order to get justice (in which case yes, I'd take it into my own hands). But the US, while by no means perfect, does currently punish child rapists that it finds, despite them hiding through a variety of means (including yes, hiding behind Daddy in Hunter's case). But overall, the system works much more than it doesn't. So the situation you proposed previously is not the current situation.

If the situation changed to such a drastic extent, it would become my (and everyone else's) duty to protect kids. So no duh I'd do it to protect anyone's kids. That you wouldn't tells us all what you are.

See, there comes a point at which you must damn the consequences and do what's right, and that's before allowing mass child rape. Apparently that point doesn't exist for you, as you said you are willing to stand by and watch a kid get raped if you don't know them. But this isn't internet tough guy position, this is basic human decency that I think nearly everyone would do given the opportunity. Except you, apparently
The punishment for raping a child should be death you incompetent Buffon so no they did not get punished. If the penalty for murder was changed to a fine, and I killed your lover and the court sentenced me to pay a penny. Would you say that I got punished so you don’t need to do anything? Are you perhaps the one who takes the woman’s role in the bed room? Because a real man would make sure someone who hurt their friends and family did not weasel out.
Also maybe you should learn to fucking read, I did not say I would just sit down and let the child get raped. Maybe you aren’t that smart but there are ways to try and get the kid out of that situation like either lessor forms of violence like beating him up, or distract him and hope the kid runs away if they don’t want to be there. What I won’t do is after the fact hunt the person down and kill them, I’m not going to PUNISH someone who harmed someone I don’t know if vigilante is illegal. If the pedo raped a child close to me then YES fuck the consequences probably.

And you are such a hypocritical piece of shit. I doubt you’d be willing to lose your freedom for someone else. Tell me if some drug dealer shot a random person you don’t know but they got off, would you go lynch the dealer for what they did?

The if I was a government agent is why I know you're full of shit. Because you are never going to make that if a true statement. You'll just send others to die and kill in order to fulfill your authoritarian fantasies.

Meanwhile, my if? My if's a threat about what other people might do. Don't make it a true statement, and we're all good. Hence why I advised you to stack up and try, but good on you for knowing when you are out matched. First piece of sense I've ever seen from you. Now maybe you could call this ITG. Try me and find out.
I’m never going to make it a true statement? Why couldn’t I join the police force of a theocratic state, or one with the social mores of the 50s there is nothing stopping me except that it does not exist. Also try me and find out? What kind of stupid shit is this? If I go to you and try to kill you for but sex and you kill me now congratulations self defense. If I do kill you it’s murder. You aren’t exactly a tough guy like there is no reason for me to do that I’m not crazy I realize that in no situation I’d win so why would I do it?

No, given your morals are fine watching kids you don't know get raped if it's 'legal', I don't believe they are actually based on historical tradition or faith. Last I checked, just standing by while a kid was raped would be called a sin.
Are you an idiot? Do you know anything about history? First of all there are Christian groups that are pacifists so they won’t be killing somebody after the fact. Secondly Christianity is 2000 years old. Tell me how old age of consent statutes are? You don’t see Christian’s having rebellion in Islamic states for child marriage and all sorts of other things. That stuff existed and while people may have thought it wrong or unseemly to be in a relationship with someone who was not a teenager and went through puberty because it is contrary to nature, Christians said to obey Caesar. So if it’s illegal to kill pedos it is a sin to kill them, if it’s illegal to kill gays it’s a sin to kill them. The only time you are allowed to rebel is if the state is banning Christianity. If they allow Christian’s to live a pure life then Christian’s should preach and condemn but should not use violence.
 

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West Virginia has effectively banned abortion outside of edge cases. As a side effect the law requires all abortions to be performed in a hospital by a doctor, instantly shuttering all abortion clinics even in those edge cases

Fitting. Abortion, if it is to be allowed at all, should only be done in emergency situations where the mother's life is immediately threatened. If you can send the mother to a clinic, it's not an emergency.

Odds they overturn marriage equality next? 🤔
Well, if Trump gets another term...nah. Kagan and Sotomayor are too far from retirement, and the current senior justice is Thomas, who has already telegraphed he's up for overturning Obergefell (or rather, overturning the judicial philosophy it relied on), so replacing him would maintain the status quo at best. As I recall, Kavanaugh made it pretty explicit in his Dobbs concurrence that it shouldn't be taken as a sign that they're going after stuff like Obergefell.

This isn't the thread to debate the legitimacy of "same-sex marriage", though.
 

ATP

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No, again, you don't seem to know what you are talking about. It's not that the usual definition of any word changed, that's irrelevant. It's that the US and US state governments decided to try to define what marriage was, but they are limited by the constitution. And the constitution doesn't allow the government to define a benefit in a way that discriminates based on sex.
Then it is leftist interpretation of Constitution.Which also let them to intervene in any way to prosecute normal people and made lgbt+52 new ruling class.
Otherwise,we would have pederast "marriages" long ago.
 

King Arts

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Then it is leftist interpretation of Constitution.Which also let them to intervene in any way to prosecute normal people and made lgbt+52 new ruling class.
Otherwise,we would have pederast "marriages" long ago.
People who support liberalism don't know the meaning of words. They think marriage can be something other than men and women. They also think that if you say you won't kill a pedo after the fact, it means you'd let a child get raped right in front of you without doing something to prevent it.
They don't seem smart enough to understand definitions.
 

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Pentagon to help pay for troops to travel out of state for abortion care


The Defense Department will provide travel allowances to service members who may have to travel outside the state in which they are stationed to receive an abortion, a new memo says.

The memo, released on Thursday and signed by Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, says the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade earlier this year has “readiness, recruiting, and retention implications for the force.” It goes on to list a series of directions to the department to circumvent those implications, including extending the timeline for service members having to notify their commander of pregnancy and stating the department’s intent to provide travel allowances for service members seeking abortion care they can’t get by military health providers.

“I am committed to the Department taking all appropriate action, within its authority and consistent with applicable federal law, as soon as possible to ensure that our service members and their families can access reproductive health care and our health care providers can operate effectively,” Austin’s memo says.

Previously, the existing policy said service members could either use government-funded travel for covered abortion care, or they could use sick leave and expense the travel on their own. Now, according to Austin’s memo, the department will establish “travel and transportation allowances, as appropriate and consistent with applicable federal law and operational requirements” for service members and dependents “to access non-covered reproductive health care that is unavailable within the local area of a service member’s permanent duty station.”

Defense officials said Thursday they are still working through the details on what that policy will look like in regards to how service members will request it, but that service members have already raised concerns about how much information they would have to provide about their own medical situation in order to get leave to travel for abortion care.

While the goal is to protect that privacy, it may require some level of transparency from the service member, one official said.

“In so far as the administrative absence and travel allowance as we develop those policies, the goal is to also provide additional privacy in making those decisions,” the official said. “But in doing so, we recognize that we may need to have a little bit of information about why they may need to take those programs, but it may just be with respect to health care and reproductive health care without necessarily providing details.”

Worries over how the overturning of Roe v. Wade would affect service members, who often do not get a say in which state live in, were immediately raised by experts, advocacy groups, and service members in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision in June. The change posed questions about health care privacy, financial challenges, family planning, retaining troops, and recruiting a new generation which is already wary of military service. Under the 1976 Hyde Amendment, which restricts the use of federal funds for abortions, DoD facilities have been allowed to provide abortions in instances of rape or incest, or when the mother’s life is at risk. That care was not impacted by the Supreme Court’s decision and is still available to service members.

However, defense officials speaking on condition of anonymity told reporters on Thursday that they have data showing the decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization that overturned Roe v. Wade had raised new concerns among current and potential service members, both about joining the military and staying in the military for those already in uniform.

“We do feel that we have done the deliberate work to make sure that actions are informed by the greatest needs of service members, families, and even prospective applicants,” an official said.

Indeed, many service members felt left in the dark in regards to how the Supreme Court’s decision would impact their ability to get care off-base, depending on what state they live in. Troops in Texas, for example, could have a significant distance to travel to receive the care they needed.

“If you think about Fort Hood, Texas — one of the biggest bases — the closest abortion provider is over 500 miles away,” Kyleanne Hunter, a senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation, told Task & Purpose in June.

Austin’s memo also reflects those concerns, saying the “practical effects of recent changes” are that “significant numbers of service members and their families may be forced to travel greater distances, take more time off from work, and pay more out of pocket expenses to receive reproductive health care.”

“In my judgment, such effects qualify as unusual, extraordinary, hardship, or emergency circumstances for service members and their dependents and will interfere with our ability to recruit, retain, and maintain the readiness of a highly qualified force,” Austin said in the memo.

The official said that while the DoD is still working through specifics, they expect that policy to also apply to service members and dependents overseas. Taking individual leave “is always an option” if the service member doesn’t want to disclose any information, the official added.

Asked again about privacy protections, the official pointed to another piece of Austin’s memo, which emphasizes that commanders must “display objectivity and discretion” in matters of reproductive health care.

It’s unclear how the new policy would work in connection with the Hyde Amendment, though the official on Thursday said all of the policies outlined by Austin are “fully consistent with federal law.”

“The department has worked closely with the Department of Justice, which provided a legal written opinion on the authority to provide travel and transportation allowances to ensure the health of the force,” the official said.

Other points in the memo say that health care providers “may not notify or disclose” reproductive health information to a service member’s chain of command unless it poses a risk to the mission or there are occupational safety requirements or “acute medical conditions interfering with duty. “

The DoD will also develop “a program to support” DoD health care providers “who are subject to adverse action, including civil or criminal penalties or loss of license or reprimand, for appropriately performing their duties,” the memo said. It’s unclear what all that support would entail, as the officials on Thursday said any criminal charge would be deferred to the Department of Justice which may “provide representation” for that provider.

“If the Department of Justice is taking the case, we would work with them to coordinate the response,” an official said. “But … we would be in support of our member or employee. And of course, that’s part of what we’re working through in developing the policies.”

The memo also lays out a plan to improve awareness of resources available to service members, including a “comprehensive contraception education campaign,” and making it easier to find information both online through the TRICARE website and in-person at medical treatment facilities. It also says that all service members will have 20 weeks before having to “notify commanders of a pregnancy,” unless “specific requirement to report sooner.”

All of the policies and directions Austin outlined are meant to be executed by the end of 2022 “to the maximum extent possible,” he wrote in the memo.

“Our greatest strength is our people,” Austin concluded. “There is no higher priority than taking care of our people and ensuring their health and well-being.”


You tax dollars to murder babies!
 

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Pentagon to help pay for troops to travel out of state for abortion care





You tax dollars to murder babies!
The military has always taken tax dollars to murder babies. Now it's just slightly more honest about it.
 

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War always kills the innocent. The mil industrial complex loves wars cause they get sweet sweet cash to manufacture weapons that will end up being used to kill kids, and all for nothing that helps America. This new policy is just a further extension of that "kill for cash" mindset: the military would prefer soldiers get abortions so they don't take leave, again killing for cash.
 

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War always kills the innocent. The mil industrial complex loves wars cause they get sweet sweet cash to manufacture weapons that will end up being used to kill kids, and all for nothing that helps America. This new policy is just a further extension of that "kill for cash" mindset: the military would prefer soldiers get abortions so they don't take leave, again killing for cash.
You donknow the money that goes to the MIC comes back to the US right since they are US owned and have to pay taxes?
Huh wierd....

And the military is a federal entity.
It can pay for soldiers to travel for abortions.
Do you know how common they are in the military?
Not very common compared to civilian because more money and moving out if the barracks.
 

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You donknow the money that goes to the MIC comes back to the US right since they are US owned and have to pay taxes?
Huh wierd....
You do know that the money spent on the MIC is taxes gathered from the citizens and we can spend our money as we please if it's not forcibly removed from us? Fuck the MIC, fuck big government.
 

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War always kills the innocent. The mil industrial complex loves wars cause they get sweet sweet cash to manufacture weapons that will end up being used to kill kids, and all for nothing that helps America. This new policy is just a further extension of that "kill for cash" mindset: the military would prefer soldiers get abortions so they don't take leave, again killing for cash.
While true, the fact is that as abhorrent as the MIC is, we are seeing why it exist with Putin going full retard over Ukraine.

Kind words to not dissuade genocidal madmen, bullets do, and unfortunately genocidal madmen turn out to be distressingly common as leaders in some parts of the world.

The US can be better about civie casualties, and actually punish people for bad intel calls that cost civies lives; however the money going into the MIC still is showing it's worth, after many decades of frivolous and stupid conflicts.
You donknow the money that goes to the MIC comes back to the US right since they are US owned and have to pay taxes?
Huh wierd....

And the military is a federal entity.
It can pay for soldiers to travel for abortions.
Do you know how common they are in the military?
Not very common compared to civilian because more money and moving out if the barracks.
The fact we tax our troops, particularity the Enlisted who make pretty poor wages, is actually kinda fucked up.

Like, the US public is already paying for you to be there, get trained, etc.; grunts having to pay taxes on the money they make serving seems like the US gov double dipping on the revenue stream to get more money on paper, but not actually in people's pockets or the treasury.

You don't tax a Abram's hull, and from a military perspective both a tank and soldier are effectively just replaceable equipment.

Seems wrong on a certain level to first pay for our troops, as taxpayers, then have the gov turn around a double dip by taxing that wage.

I mean I get taxing non-gov work soldiers do, like with reservists, and taxing officers who do civie 'consulting' from the consulting fees they collect. Plus the usual stock transaction taxes and other non-military work taxes.

Like, if the US gov really wants to up recruiting, make all enlisted wages tax-exempt.
 

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You do if you get deployed.
But we are working class Americans. Gotta get taxed.
We pay our own salary
 

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