Tanks and other Armoured Vehicles Image thread.
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I love reading about Vietnam War era armored vehicles and operations.
The South Vietnamese were actually really inventive in how they utilized, modified and operated their light armored vehicles, especially in creating the M113's and creating ACAV variants for their cavalry units. It's true, the Viet Cong/NVA always had trouble dealing with these sort of ARVN Armored Cavalry units even until the end of the War.
The South Vietnamese were actually really inventive in how they utilized, modified and operated their light armored vehicles, especially in creating the M113's and creating ACAV variants for their cavalry units. It's true, the Viet Cong/NVA always had trouble dealing with these sort of ARVN Armored Cavalry units even until the end of the War.
This Serbian Aleksandar Self Propelled Howitzer actually looks pretty neat.
I like the idea of it being trailer mounted behind apparently a specially designed truck.
www.army-technology.com
I like the idea of it being trailer mounted behind apparently a specially designed truck.
Aleksandar Self-Propelled Howitzer | Military-Today.com
The Aleksandar is a recent Serbian artillery system. It was first publicly revealed in 2017. Previously it was referred as the MGS-25, as well as NORA B-52K2.
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Aleksandar Self-Propelled Artillery System
Aleksandar is a new 155mm self-propelled artillery weapon system designed and developed by Serbian defence products manufacturing company Yugoimport SDPR.
www.army-technology.com
Sergeant Foley
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Love military tanks. Subbed!Cant forget the tank that started it all.
Soviet МОБД
I need one of those cutaway graphics of this thing because I absolutely love militarized recreational vehicles. Camping, Comfort and Conquest!
I need one of those cutaway graphics of this thing because I absolutely love militarized recreational vehicles. Camping, Comfort and Conquest!
and too big to really be useful
Aldarion
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Who needs useful when you can have awesome instead?
Doomsought
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It is a self propelled barracks, specifically designed to support the crews of similarly sized missile trucks. It can get where it needs to go.
Aaron Fox
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It uses the same chassis as the TOPOLs and similar systems and given that modified BMPs are used in the rural areas of Russia...
How so? its roughly the same scale as the vehicle its supporting.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
So I found this one on my recommended videos. I was in the Thessaloniki fair last September and the DEFEA 2023, the International Defense Exhibition , REMINDS ME A LOT OF the Thessaloniki fair because there was tons of defense stuff in the middle.
It sounds incredible that a "civvie" fair also held military exhibition which was led by the UAE. I also saw lots of Elbit systems there as well.
Man, would I love to post some pics of that.
Aaron Fox
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Basically, the only thing holding the US ADATS program back was the turret... and Congress literally cutting funding. It was the one time that US procurement had done an amazing job in general (the ADATS missiles were effective beyond expectations in almost all categories, which is saying something).
...So because of one flaw which could easily be fixed with a little more time/elbow grease, they canned the whole thing?
Yeah, something else had to have been going on there behind the scenes e.g. corruption, taking back-hand deals, et cetera.
Aaron Fox
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It isn't much in terms of 'behind the scenes' BS, to be honest. The ADATS program just had the shoddy luck to show up during the literal tail-end of the Cold War, just before the USSR went *POOF*. When the USSR went *POOF*, Congress almost immediately went back to its 'cut the military budget into the bone' ways (what Clinton tried to do was basically expand the tax base so while taxes stay the same percentage-wise, there is more money to go around in absolute terms) and it got axed because the threats it was designed for literally went *POOF* and probably the USAF doing it's 'make everyone else reliant on it for air defense' stick.
It also didn't help that an entire political party decided to fall off an ideological cliff during the '90s onward, especially things like 'running government like a business' and giving tax cuts that benefit the rich more than anyone, to start.
To be honest, making an ADATS II would be rather prudent now, especially given that things are slowly becoming 'on fire'...
Aaron Fox
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MSHORAD is, essentially, just an interim design using modified ATGMs before we can develop something that has more longevity. Stingers are getting long in the tooth and need replacing (probably with something akin to GURPS's 'multirole missile' concept, but with an HEDP/HEAT warhead instead of a kinetic one), Patriot and THAAD are more strategic/theater-level than anything and AEGIS is primarily sea and ABM. Avengers? Not that good due to a combination of lack of reaction time and not having at least a search radar fitted to it.
ADATS is, essentially, a SHORAD/Short-range SAM with serious anti-tank capability (the surprising thing is that, conceptually, it's the RL equivalent of the GURPS Multi-Role Missile, but vehicle-borne instead of infantry-borne), something that the army and marines really need and especially so in light of what Ukraine is beating everyone's skulls in for (i.e., a competent air defense network is stupidly hard to get rid of, meaning that air power isn't going to be widely available).
See, we do not need the Anti tank capability.
It isn't part of doctrine for the US.
And no, a competent air defense network is not hard to get rid of. As I have stated many times on here, my speciality in the Army is knowing how to defeat enemy AD.
Relatively easy with accurate munitions.
And as for the multi role thing.
Good AA missiles are air burst unless they are made to take out ballistic missiles.
Patriot is the exception because fucking patriot.
And multi role for a AA is a horrible idea because if your AD has to engage enemy armor you are already losing.
I am telling you this, thinking AD works like in a game where being able to engage ground js useful.
It isn't because you are already having support of infantry, MPs and Armor.
We are also not Russia, we don't need to rely on AD when we know how our AF is and how good our current AD is.
Aaron Fox
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The thing is, the latest few conflicts are showing that SEAD isn't all that effective when the enemy is at least semi-competent, which -surprisingly enough- revealed that you can't really kill IADS from the air (outside of artillery), only from the ground. This means that your SHORAD/short-range SAM units will need to at least fight off enemy ground forces so they can safely retreat.
May I remind you that M-SHORAD uses a radar Hellfire as its principal missile. I'll repeat: it uses a repurposed ATGM as the principal missile, not a traditional SAM. That says a lot about where the US Army sees SAMs in the coming years.
Alright Aaron.
Let me put it to you this way.
There are more ways then one to take out a AD system.
And we arnt the 90s anymore.
And if a SHORAD has to start fighting ground units you are already losing. Your AD should not have to engage ground forcesbat all because thier job is AD nit ground defense.
I will repeat.
If you have to use AD as ground engagement you are vastly misusing your AD assets because you are now taking it from watching the skies to watching the ground.
In which case you are making your ad weaker by not watching it.
And Aaron, as someone whose job revolves around knowing what RADAR and AD doctrine do and how they all work, you over estimate the capability of IADS and underestimate the capability of the SEAD/DEAD in today times
There is in fact a point for such lower end AA being more common and on the frontline. Though optimally it should be anti tank missiles that are relatively cheap and AA capable - because drones. As drones keep becoming more common AF won't send hundreds of planes to kill hundreds of small and medium drones that cost per hour to fly more than said drones with Sidewinders 20x the price of said drone.
We are entering a time when *everyone* needs frontline SHORAD again if they don't want to end up like Armenia.