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Abhorsen

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EVERYONE, COOL IT. This is a heightened civility warning for the thread, because apparently people can't speak civilly. There's a decent chance hits will also come as well once the staff discusses, but that will be a certainty if this continues.

As a temporary measure, stop insulting each other directly.
 

Abhorsen

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This is crap.

Him suing the WEF for using his name/likeness without his consent, and winning, is what is normal. No, really. It's a standard name likeness lawsuit that's done all the time. It's like if McD's started saying Vivek was advertising their product: it's pretty standard to get them to retract that because the law is so clear that relative power doesn't matter much.

Him starting a pharma company that wasn't profitable but had a ton of investment? Literally all startup companies from about 2015ish up until the recent rate hikes were operating this way: why be profitable when investment is so easy to get?

And a quick look at "it's never gotten a product past clinical trials": That's a lie by omission, creating the impression that the company has done nothing. See, Roivant isn't just a pharma company, it also makes health care IT, like Datavant. These are useful, but aren't drugs, so obviously aren't going through clinical trials.

It also ignores how long clinical trials take, and whether clinical trials are specifically the tests used for what you are doing.

Anyway, look up Roivant, it basically is like any other Pharma-Tech.


In regards to his creating of an investment fund, that was done precisely to counter ESG stuff and give people an option to opt out of ESG in the private sector.

EDIT: looking at Roivant's main page, they've had 10 phase 3 clinical trial successes and 6 FDA approvals, so IDK where the guy is getting this from.

The idea that people don't become organically popular, btw, is just false. Obama did during his primary vs Clinton (the Neolib clear favorite), and so did Trump. It's not necessarily good, but it does happen.
 
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DarthOne

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This is crap.

Him suing the WEF for using his name/likeness without his consent, and winning, is what is normal. No, really. It's a standard name likeness lawsuit that's done all the time. It's like if McD's started saying Vivek was advertising their product: it's pretty standard to get them to retract that because the law is so clear that relative power doesn't matter much.

Him starting a pharma company that wasn't profitable but had a ton of investment? Literally all startup companies from about 2015ish up until the recent rate hikes were operating this way: why be profitable when investment is so easy to get?

And a quick look at "it's never gotten a product past clinical trials": That's a lie by omission, creating the impression that the company has done nothing. See, Roivant isn't just a pharma company, it also makes health care IT, like Datavant. These are useful, but aren't drugs, so obviously aren't going through clinical trials.

It also ignores how long clinical trials take, and whether clinical trials are specifically the tests used for what you are doing.

Anyway, look up Roivant, it basically is like any other Pharma-Tech.


In regards to his creating of an investment fund, that was done precisely to counter ESG stuff and give people an option to opt out of ESG in the private sector.

EDIT: looking at Roivant's main page, they've had 10 phase 3 clinical trial successes and 6 FDA approvals, so IDK where the guy is getting this from.

The idea that people don't become organically popular, btw, is just false. Obama did during his primary vs Clinton (the Neolib clear favorite), and so did Trump. It's not necessarily good, but it does happen.

Fair point about this, though I disagree on Obama.

Then again, I’m going off years old memories of when I was a lot less politically interested and a lot more naïve politically as well. That and some more recent hearsay.
 

mrttao

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edit: derp. video already post a few posts above mine

Excellent analysis video asks if we should trust vivek
summarized points:

> Vivik is saying and promising what all us conservatives think
> Why is he trending on every single leftist tech platform? any of us would be shadowbanned there for saying what he says
> What is his history? worked as a hedge fund manager. then opened a small pharma company that never delivered a product despite many years of operation. good at securing investor funds, bad at delivering. not a good sign
> What about the money? Media highlights vivek invested over 10m dollars of his own money to fund his campaign. Well... in the 6 months prior to announcing his stock price went from all time low to all time high. allowing him to sell for a 15 million dollar profit.
> Stock rose because blackrock, state-street, and vanguard have invested in roivient (the pharma company that devilered 0 products). as he still retains 7% shares in that company he is now worth close to 1 billion dollars
> Vowed to end the teachers union. California state teacher's retirement system is amongst his donors.
> Maybe all coincidence. But I am not investigator yet was able to find all this out after only a couple of hours of sifting publicly available data
> Why is his involvement with george soros via scholarship. and his involvement with the ohio covid-19 response team scrubbed from wikipedia?
> in 2021 he was named "a young global leader" by WEF. 2 years later after using that title to invest in his company. He sued WEF to remove his name from the list
> 3 months after that he settled with klaus schwab's WEF and received a formal letter of apology
> How do you win a lawsuit against WEF in under 3 months? he is either that good or... i dunno.
> Why is nobody reporting or questioning this?

TLDR vivek is ultra sus
 

mrttao

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The idea that people don't become organically popular, btw, is just false. Obama did during his primary vs Clinton (the Neolib clear favorite), and so did Trump. It's not necessarily good, but it does happen.
This is a massive blatant strawman.
He does not in any way shape or form argue that people don't become organically popular.

He is arguing that it is odd how every tool of the oligarchs supports him.
 

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This is a massive blatant strawman.
He does not in any way shape or form argue that people don't become organically popular.

He is arguing that it is odd how every tool of the oligarchs supports him.
... They literally don't though? This was me trying to read it in a way that makes sense. They really, really don't like him, they just hate Trump more, and maybe DeSantis.

Though I really shouldn't have given it benefit of the doubt, as every objection raised is just BS on BS.

> What is his history? worked as a hedge fund manager. then opened a small pharma company that never delivered a product despite many years of operation. good at securing investor funds, bad at delivering. not a good sign
An explicitly anti ESG hedge fund, and a huge Pharma company that has delivered products. Though one could argue it technically hasn't, that would be lying by ommision. What it does is have an idea, then create a sub company that develops that idea. So basically, the person is using the odd corporate structure to claim Roivant has done nothing, when it's created a life saving medicine for children alongside 5 other FDA approved drugs, with other stuff in the works, along with info-tech for hospitals.

> Stock rose because blackrock, state-street, and vanguard have invested in roivient (the pharma company that devilered 0 products). as he still retains 7% shares in that company he is now worth close to 1 billion dollars
Roivant has a number of products. Literally look it up. And black rock invests in everything, because it manages a ton.

> Vowed to end the teachers union. California state teacher's retirement system is amongst his donors.
And this isn't even what he said, IIRC. He said that the Retirement fund had invested in some of Vivek's stuff. So? That's not even operated by teachers.
> Maybe all coincidence. But I am not investigator yet was able to find all this out after only a couple of hours of sifting publicly available data
It shows that he isn't an investigator, the guy couldn't investigate to save his life. Dude just came with a pack of lies and lies by omission.

Why is his involvement with george soros via scholarship. and his involvement with the ohio covid-19 response team scrubbed from wikipedia?
This, however, has some truth:

Though I'd note that the HuffPost reporting on Vivek in a negative light shows the lie that the oligarchs are all on his side.

> in 2021 he was named "a young global leader" by WEF. 2 years later after using that title to invest in his company. He sued WEF to remove his name from the list
> 3 months after that he settled with klaus schwab's WEF and received a formal letter of apology
> How do you win a lawsuit against WEF in under 3 months? he is either that good or... i dunno.
A simple name likeness lawsuit. It's very standard, as far as I can tell. So standard, you can beat big names as a little guy.

Also, he didn't use the name to get people to invest, I'm pretty sure. He got the nomination in 2021, I doubt he needed it then, he was already pretty established by then.

As for people on the WEF's list, it includes many good people as well, like Glenn Beck (he says he's annoyed about it here), Elon Musk, Peter Theil, etc.
 

mrttao

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I don't think it'll save his candidacy but this is the best election reform idea I've heard in a long time:


He is going by the enemy's narrative.
Assuming they are arguing in good faith and accepting their claims about history.

Every time wokies bring up the "blacks are too dumb to have ID" argument (which is hilariously racist btw), republicans counter by explicitly adding a stipulation to the bill that will make the ID free. And every time it gets unanimously voted down by all the Dems.

The only "common sense" solution is to oust the enemies and drain the swamp who are trying to intentionally make voter fraud.

Also don't give them the easy out by pretending that it was conservative stubbornness that refused to allow free IDs that prevented them from agreeing to election integrity laws. They absolutely only opposed them because they wanted cheating.

Also wow that guy looks half dead.
 
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Vivek is a complete sellout. He believes nothing and has no opinions, he just says whatever he has to say to trick people to vote for him so he can help himself and his family. He supports neoliberal globalist trade, HB1 visas and has WEF ties
Wow, how completely wrong you are.

"Believes nothing" - Literally started the only company actually working against ESGs, allowing you to use index funds that aren't based on ESGs.

WEF ties - He has the same ones Glenn Beck has: unwilling got listed on their website and had to sue to take it down.

'Globalist trade' - Sure, he supports this. So does anyone with a brain. Trade with places makes everyone richer. This is literally basic US policy, and is small government (the government shouldn't tax you doing trade with someone else, even if they are in a different country).

HB1 visas - Literally the best type of immigration after refugees from communist countries: we get other countries smartest people to do jobs in the US. It's positive brain drain.
 

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Vivek is a complete sellout. He believes nothing and has no opinions, he just says whatever he has to say to trick people to vote for him so he can help himself and his family. He supports neoliberal globalist trade, HB1 visas and has WEF ties
The WEF thing is literally them just listing his name to try to discredit him.

He hasn't worked for them, didn't want to be "recognized" for anything and shot them down and said no, and they put his name up anyways, JUST SO people would say "fuck that guy, he's got ties to the WEF"
 

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HB1 visas are constantly abused to import indians to work coding garbage on silicon valley. Globalist neoliberal trade is how the west sold out their values to suck CCP cock.

Vivek is at very least 10 years late on these pivots. Much like the rest of the GOP. Meanwhile Trump is getting hounded for being the opposition leader and the entire Judicial branch has weaponized into a arm of the DNC/RINO Uniparty.

You are falling for weak bait. Vivek won't do shit, just like DeSantis couldn't do shit and capitulated at the first sign of hardship. Tranny worship is just a demoralization move, it's something the Deep State can afford to lose to keep the "conservatives" from caring about the fact they lost everything else.

The fact the GOP is even considering not running Trump after so many attacks ans obvious subversions of justice and weaponization of the law is as good a sign as any thry are controled opposition.

They WIRETAPPED HIS CAMPAIGN. They FAKED THE RUSSIAN COLLUSION. And yey you keep acting as if there isn't already a all out war.
 

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HB1 visas are constantly abused to import indians to work coding garbage on silicon valley. Globalist neoliberal trade is how the west sold out their values to suck CCP cock.
India is not CCP.

Vivek is at very least 10 years late on these pivots. Much like the rest of the GOP. Meanwhile Trump is getting hounded for being the opposition leader and the entire Judicial branch has weaponized into a arm of the DNC/RINO Uniparty.
Trump had 4 years and did nothing against the deep state. You could make a much better argument about Trump being a distractor from real change, if I wanted to go full tin foil hat. But I don't, because it's not true. They don't control everything. They want to make you think they do, so you give up and attack each other.
You are falling for weak bait. Vivek won't do shit, just like DeSantis couldn't do shit and capitulated at the first sign of hardship. Tranny worship is just a demoralization move, it's something the Deep State can afford to lose to keep the "conservatives" from caring about the fact they lost everything else.
That you think that every option but Trump is bait is simply dumb. Vivek has concrete plans to attack the deep state. So does DeSantis. So does Trump, but IDK if he'll just forget about it once in office. I really don't care who attacks the Deep State, just that it suffers and collapses.
 

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