DarthOne
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All the more reason our side will need to get our hands on such weapons if open war breaks out. Both to keep them from using said weapons on us and as a counter for if they do.
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DarthOne
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Yeah. And an ideology captured military will do what their masters say. Otherwise, those evil right-wingers will win and resurrect Nazi Germany in America. Or something.
Heck, I’m sure that the US military even now would do it. ‘Good soldiers follow orders’.
And if they don’t, there’s a good bet that the establishment probably knows where their family might be and (stereotypical Italian mobster accent) it’d be a ‘real shame’ if somthin’ where to happen to them, capish?
Not really.
It takes two, to turn the keys
That doesn't take into account the other aspects of the information that has to get to them, any other influences, communication with the other silos etc.
You really think the military is competent in tracking the location if the military members families?
They havnt even fucking fixed that I am no longer single while also tracking I am married.
It's horrible incompetent in that way
Zach, you're confident in the safeguards and have faith in the military, and you always knee-jerk defend it.
Everyone else does not -- that includes some of our members who are fucking veterans/who served.
Recent events and how the military is slowly being turned straight into a Banana Republican joke aren't exactly inspiring confidence.
Except all yall ever see is the negative shit.
It's like Vietnam, we were painted in a bad light and the people lost faith.
Welcome to what the left wants.
They want the right to give up on the military so they gain the total control.
But being in the military I see how it actually is.
Moderates and people who jist want to live thier lives.
Even in fucking intel.
But none of you fuckers ever think to look deeper then surface level shit presented because "WOKEISM!!!"
It's like Vietnam, we were painted in a bad light and the people lost faith.
Welcome to what the left wants.
They want the right to give up on the military so they gain the total control.
But being in the military I see how it actually is.
Moderates and people who jist want to live thier lives.
Even in fucking intel.
But none of you fuckers ever think to look deeper then surface level shit presented because "WOKEISM!!!"
DarthOne
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Which is why we’re seeing so much push back and resistance-
Oh wait. No, we aren’t.
Good Soldiers Follow Orders.
Except it is on the low levels. Soldiers just nit caring.
The military does things behind closed doors
DarthOne
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Yes, and it's those actions behind closed doors that have often led to the non-behind-closed-doors fuck-ups that have gutted trust in, and public desire to serve in, the US military and government in general.
Kneejerk defense of the DoD, when even other former/current service members are not doing so nearly as much as you, just makes it seem like you cannot, or do not wish to, understand how the DoD looks from the outside and why, and what needs to be done in the DoD to fix that. You just want to defend the DoD as is most of the time, and rarely admit when the critics have a point, just usually dismissing stuff or pretending the PR/public perception of things isn't what actually dictates policy and recruitment levels.
Not many people who know they would be disfavored by the powers in DC have any reason to trust that the military won't just follow it's paymaster's orders. There are going to be more 'go along to get along' obedience to pay masters than there will be 'a line in the sand, no further' rejection of unConstitutional and unjust orders.
Good Soldiers Follow Orders is the reality that we have to operate under, as disfavored parts of the populace and with the increasing tyranny in DC.
And this is how I know none of you actually know what you are talking about.
The behind closed doors things benefits the military because we do things differently.
People mostly do not follow orders in the sense yall think.
We do what ever it takes to avoid doing work.
That is the life of a soldier.
You may have one or two Blue Falcons, whp do everything but they are so little it doesn't matter.
And then you account for the ones who sre trained to do the killing, one, nit allowed to legally be deployed unless it is MPs in the US, and two, are not stupid enough to think they stand a chance against the fucking nation of 350 million.
The military are not idiots.
We won't launch nukes if the coordinates are in the US, outside if MPs we can't be deployed with weapons in the US.
We are limited by the federal government so much that we arnt going to do shit that we know is out if the ordinary.
And in this day and age of modern communications? We can instantly communicate with out family members and relatives, or those we love and hang out with.
In the end, we will follow our morales over that of the big guy.
Because unlike cops, we can't just be fired like it's nothing.
It takes time, months if not longer, and at certain ranks takes a act if congress.
That is the kinda shit we deal with.
We also get paid even during government shutdowns specifically because they know that we won't work eithout getting paid, unless deployed.
Amd our higher ups know this.
They fought to make sure we get paid.
So if we are told "go kill US Citizens because we say so, even though you have a chance of not being paid"
We will have a lot of people leave.
The behind closed doors things benefits the military because we do things differently.
People mostly do not follow orders in the sense yall think.
We do what ever it takes to avoid doing work.
That is the life of a soldier.
You may have one or two Blue Falcons, whp do everything but they are so little it doesn't matter.
And then you account for the ones who sre trained to do the killing, one, nit allowed to legally be deployed unless it is MPs in the US, and two, are not stupid enough to think they stand a chance against the fucking nation of 350 million.
The military are not idiots.
We won't launch nukes if the coordinates are in the US, outside if MPs we can't be deployed with weapons in the US.
We are limited by the federal government so much that we arnt going to do shit that we know is out if the ordinary.
And in this day and age of modern communications? We can instantly communicate with out family members and relatives, or those we love and hang out with.
In the end, we will follow our morales over that of the big guy.
Because unlike cops, we can't just be fired like it's nothing.
It takes time, months if not longer, and at certain ranks takes a act if congress.
That is the kinda shit we deal with.
We also get paid even during government shutdowns specifically because they know that we won't work eithout getting paid, unless deployed.
Amd our higher ups know this.
They fought to make sure we get paid.
So if we are told "go kill US Citizens because we say so, even though you have a chance of not being paid"
We will have a lot of people leave.
DarthOne
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Who wants to bet that if you went and time traveled to other countries were an authoritarian regime was about to or had just just taken over, you’d here similar sentiments? Regardless if we’re talking about the Revolutionary France, the USSR, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, Mao’s China, Ba'athist Iraq or wherever else.
Let’s put it bluntly; I have my doubts that even 1/5th of the US military would take up arms against their leadership if ordered to attack American civilians.
LordsFire
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The more important question is how many would refuse that order?
If the military refuses to protect the government from the people, the people will not need the military to help them tear it down.
1/5 might even be optimistic, really, when you account for the various security measures against desertion.
I expect that deserters and such will just be arrested and/or shot once it's clear they won't follow the orders, and the people in DC will make sure to have politically reliable units do the dirtiest work.
The Navy is actually a bigger question mark on how many will side and with who, compared to the Army or Air Force, due to the more detached and far afield nature of most Naval deployments and how ships become communities unto themselves even more than bases.
Wow yall have no clue have the military actually is are you?
Besides the fact the vast majority if the US military are against bring sent into US cities, we would turn down that order.
And it is not desertion.
Di any of you fucking forget we can legally reject any order that is moreally, ethically, or just plain out illegal to follow?
Besides the fact the vast majority if the US military are against bring sent into US cities, we would turn down that order.
And it is not desertion.
Di any of you fucking forget we can legally reject any order that is moreally, ethically, or just plain out illegal to follow?
Kent State, the Bombing of Black Wall Street in Tulsa, Operation Warp Speed and it's 'vax's', MKUltra, Operations Northwoods, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments...why shouldn't we believe Good Soldiers Follow Orders will be the reality, when US military history itself shows that 'refuse illegal orders' is very much unlikely to happen when given the sort of orders it is meant to stop.
Your saying trust me bro, other people are putting down hard data, So honestly were going to follow the data more then your word. I mean I hope your right but we cant trust our lives to one mans limited experience.
In order: 1. Ohio NG, nit federal troops, 2. Oklahoma NG not Federal troops, 3. That has nothing to do with the military, 4. MKUltra wasn't military, 5. Didn't happen, was proposed and again, not Federal troops nor military at all. 6. Not the military....Kent State, the Bombing of Black Wall Street in Tulsa, Operation Warp Speed and it's 'vax's', MKUltra, Operations Northwoods, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments...why shouldn't we believe Good Soldiers Follow Orders will be the reality, when US military history itself shows that 'refuse illegal orders' is very much unlikely to happen when given the sort of orders it is meant to stop.
Well. What have I been saying that other aspects of the government are good and do this?
I am talking about the MILITARY, federal troops
Why would Federal troops be any different than NG units? If anything, one might expect the NG units to be less likely to do shit since they are from the areas that shit went down in vs. Feds being from some other part of the country. Otherwise you have basically the same type of people and the same type of culture.
