China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Tiamat]

I think it's exactly what it looks like. A gain-of-function SARS strain that was modified with multiple genetic insertions, which leaked out of a laboratory in an accident, probably back in October.

This is from a geneticist on 4chan who stated that it was very unlikely that you'd see the same amino acid sequence appear miraculously inserted in a coronavirus four times in a row:

And this, right here, is cell phone data from the grounds of the Wuhan Institute of Virology:

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Some kind of mysterious closure of the facility back in October. And they had the roads blocked off, too. No phones got anywhere near the building.

I'm beginning to see the specter of Chernobyl rearing it's ugly head again, just in a different form.

History has a cruel sense of humor.

 

[Zachowon]

I think it's exactly what it looks like. A gain-of-function SARS strain that was modified with multiple genetic insertions, which leaked out of a laboratory in an accident, probably back in October.

This is from a geneticist on 4chan who stated that it was very unlikely that you'd see the same amino acid sequence appear miraculously inserted in a coronavirus four times in a row:

And this, right here, is cell phone data from the grounds of the Wuhan Institute of Virology:

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

Some kind of mysterious closure of the facility back in October. And they had the roads blocked off, too. No phones got anywhere near the building.

1. I dont trust people saying what thye do on 4chan, 2. It was proven to be a lab outbreak or at least heavily implied months ago

 

[Bacle]

It is not a weapon and is not lab made, they were running tests in a biolab and it escaped. If it was a bioweapon why would they kill thier own people and potentially ruin face?

Simple, really.

It was an experimental bioweapon derived from the version the bats carry. They were probably seeing if it could replicate in bats when their researcher got bit, and carried it out of the lab. Their bio-safety measures didn't catch it, possibly due to the asymptomatic period we've seen, and the researcher+her BF accidently spread it in the nearby meat market during meals or shopping.

No malice of forethought or grand conspiracy needed for the initial release, just human error. It's the same story as Chernobyl, just a hell of a lot worse for everyone, everywhere.

 

[Doomsought]

It was an experimental bioweapon derived from the version the bats carry. They were probably seeing if it could replicate in bats when their researcher got bit, and carried it out of the lab.

If it was a bio-weapon, I'd think china would bury all of the researchers in an unmarked grave, and they would also be closer to a concentraition camp for test subjects.

 

[Bacle]

If it was a bio-weapon, I'd think china would bury all of the researchers in an unmarked grave, and they would also be closer to a concentraition camp for test subjects.

It was probably in the testing phase, not fully ready, and not meant to be released or used in the 'human trials' yet. So they wouldn't need 'test subjects' from a camp.

People keep acting like it being a bioweapon means it's a mature project and an intentional release. It being a 'bioweapon', or the precursor/prototype of one, in no way precludes an unintented release due to human error and unknown variables in the bug itself.

This seems far more like a bioweapon research project that had an accident which breached the safety measures around it because the asymptomatic period surprised even it's makers and they weren't being all that careful to begin with.

 

[Cherico]

If it was a bio-weapon, I'd think china would bury all of the researchers in an unmarked grave, and they would also be closer to a concentraition camp for test subjects.

Im on the not a bio weapon camp simply because China still exists as a country.

Not because I think America would nuke them for it but because their right next to Russia who's official policy to a bio weapons attack is nukes and because I think their intelligence network would have found out if it was a bio weapon long before we would.

 

[Iconoclast]

Gain-of-function research with SARS-like viruses is actually surprisingly commonplace, even in BSL-3 labs. This kind of stuff has been going on for well over a decade. In fact, there was a ban on this kind of research in 2014 in the US, because they were concerned that something exactly like COVID-19 could happen (an escape of a GOF version of SARS capable of infecting humans). They lifted the ban in late 2017/early 2018, actually.

Moratorium on Gain-of-Function Research

In the wake of a handful of biosafety lapses at federal research facilities, the US government is temporarily halting funding for new studies aiming to give novel functions to influenza, SARS, and MERS viruses.

www.the-scientist.com

Lab-Made Coronavirus Triggers Debate

The creation of a chimeric SARS-like virus has scientists discussing the risks of gain-of-function research.

www.the-scientist.com

https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/Documents/gain-of-function.pdf

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(18)30006-9/fulltext

Federal Ban Lifted on Studying Most Dangerous Pathogens

Only a few labs will earn funding for such “gain-of-function” research on SARS, MERS, and other deadly diseases.

www.the-scientist.com

SARS-CoV-2 could have been a "dual use" pathogen. Civilian research with military applications. Francis Boyle, the guy who drafted the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, says he is almost positive it was intended as a bioweapon.

Dual-use research | Bureau Biosecurity

Medical, biological and agricultural developments often require research that involves various pathogenic microorganisms. Research that could also possibly be misapplied to pose a threat to public health, animal health or the environment is referred to as ‘dual-use’ research.

www.bureaubiosecurity.nl

Dual Use Research of Concern

Dual Use Research of Concern (DURC) is life sciences research that, based on current understanding, can be reasonably anticipated to provide knowledge, information, products, or technologies that could be directly misapplied to pose a significant threat with broad potential consequences to...

osp.od.nih.gov

 

[Floridaman]

Im on the not a bio weapon camp simply because China still exists as a country.

Not because I think America would nuke them for it but because their right next to Russia who's official policy to a bio weapons attack is nukes and because I think their intelligence network would have found out if it was a bio weapon long before we would.

That is our policy for bioweapons as well.

 

[Bacle]

That is our policy for bioweapons as well.

Does that policy cover accidental, unintentional release on foreign soil that spills over, or only intentional use?

It seems like a lot of people are dodging the bioweapon label more out of semantics and fear than anything.

 

[Floridaman]

Does that policy cover accidental, unintentional release on foreign soil that spills over, or only intentional use?

It seems like a lot of people are dodging the bioweapon label more out of semantics and fear than anything.

It is never stated, the point is the us reply to any wmd attack is nukes.

 

[Zachowon]

Plus if it was a Bioweapon I would currently ne deployed to fight China...

 

[gral]

So, the City of Rio de Janeiro has decided to go for a novel way of counting the deaths by COVID-19 - they decided to confirm the deceased had been infected by COVID-19 before attributing the death to it. This means that the death toll in Rio de janeiro has fallen from 2,978 deaths(what the hospitals have registered) to 1,801 - a 39.5% reduction.

 

[Isem]

...I hope that's just some conspiracy theory nonsense; because if that's actually happening, it's going to cause even more people to think that the Corona virus isn't something to be taken seriously.

There have been noted cases of things like that happening:

Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report

A Colorado man who died of alcohol poisoning had his death classified as due to the coronavirus, possibly shedding light on a skewed virus death toll in the state, according to a report on Thursday.

www.foxnews.com

This guy had a blood alcohol of .55 when he died. The legal minimum is .08. His death was counted as death by corona.

 

[Zachowon]

There have been noted cases of things like that happening:

Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report

A Colorado man who died of alcohol poisoning had his death classified as due to the coronavirus, possibly shedding light on a skewed virus death toll in the state, according to a report on Thursday.

www.foxnews.com

This guy had a blood alcohol of .55 when he died. The legal minimum is .08. His death was counted as death by corona.

I mean...it isnt wrong but isnt right..it does not specify if they mean Corona-virus, the beer joke, or Coronavirus

 

[Husky_Khan]

There have been noted cases of things like that happening:

Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report

A Colorado man who died of alcohol poisoning had his death classified as due to the coronavirus, possibly shedding light on a skewed virus death toll in the state, according to a report on Thursday.

www.foxnews.com

This guy had a blood alcohol of .55 when he died. The legal minimum is .08. His death was counted as death by corona.

I mean...it isnt wrong but isnt right..it does not specify if they mean Corona-virus, the beer joke, or Coronavirus

Yeah article is definitely dark humor bait when it comes to Corona.

 

[Jormungandr]

Regardless of whether it was meant to be a purposeful bio-weapon or not, it still did the same job. Either way, it's China's fault. They are the reason millions have directly and indirectly suffered.

 

[Terthna]

The overall fatality rate of the symptomatic is only about 1.3%, the key words there however are "of the symptomatic", as the virus has a non-symptomatic rate of something like 50%, which means we are actually looking at something like an overall 0.65% fatality rate.

It depends on the statistics you're using; John Hopkins University & Medicine, which is the source I've been using throughout the pandemic, has the fatality rate at around 6.5% currently. Which is still a massive improvement over previous numbers, as I believe it had gotten as high as 25% at one point. As for the non-symptomatic rate, considering the fact that in the United States many of the tests that were used to determine that were giving out false positives, I'm hesitant to believe any statistics regarding it.

 

[Vaermina]

It depends on the statistics you're using; John Hopkins University & Medicine, which is the source I've been using throughout the pandemic, has the fatality rate at around 6.5% currently. Which is still a massive improvement over previous numbers, as I believe it had gotten as high as 25% at one point. As for the non-symptomatic rate, considering the fact that in the United States many of the tests that were used to determine that were giving out false positives, I'm hesitant to believe any statistics regarding it.

You're confusing Case Fatality Rate with Infection Fatality Rate.

 

[Terthna]

You're confusing Case Fatality Rate with Infection Fatality Rate.

The only difference between the two is that the latter tries to account for all asymptomatic and undiagnosed infections; needless to say, the data regarding that is, in my opinion, too unreliable to be worth considering. A fatality rate of 6.5% is the result of comparing total deaths, versus total recovered; which is, in my opinion, the most accurate way to calculate that statistic.

Or at least it would be, if if governments were not lying about how many have died from the Corona virus; I honestly have no idea what the fatality rate actually is. China obviously under-reported their numbers, but now western nations are apparently over-reporting theirs.

 

[Cherico]

The only difference between the two is that the latter tries to account for all asymptomatic and undiagnosed infections; needless to say, the data regarding that is, in my opinion, too unreliable to be worth considering. A fatality rate of 6.5% is the result of comparing total deaths, versus total recovered; which is, in my opinion, the most accurate way to calculate that statistic.

Or at least it would be, if if governments were not lying about how many have died from the Corona virus; I honestly have no idea what the fatality rate actually is. China obviously under-reported their numbers, but now western nations are apparently over-reporting theirs.

you should be proud of the west rather then repeat china's mistakes we have decided to make brand new ones!