I'm not either, that's my point.Um, I sort of don't understand the argument guys? Kobolds being there was seen as a social faux pas, thus, they were destroyed. This probably upsets Koy.
I am unsure what else there is to it?
I'm not either, that's my point.Um, I sort of don't understand the argument guys? Kobolds being there was seen as a social faux pas, thus, they were destroyed. This probably upsets Koy.
I am unsure what else there is to it?
Just figuring out races.So anything I miss? Been falling behind as I figure things out.
So anything I miss? Been falling behind as I figure things out.
I thought kobolds were carting around a big lens that was Koy’s eye into the Hall.
He literally is starting a fight with another god who tried to prevent the total completion of the Kobold Holocaust. To me that comes off contemptuous.
I'm hardly saying he is too evil too manage life. You can be incredibly evil and manage life. What I am saying is that a god who created a species would likely understand that species and its relation to its Patron god. From my own point of view that came off contemptuous. I'm not asserting his motivations, I am saying that showed contempt. It wasn't a nonchalant uncaring mass murder, he was annoyed by their presence. Then there is the line "Were these Azahiels Kobolds?" That shows Tauphys has no idea who they are, what they are doing, or how much or what they mean to Koy.
I'm sorry, I don't follow what your point is with Yuki?
I'm not either, that's my point.
It was a keypoint in the discussion put forward, which itself ended up being nothing more than an attack on Yukitama and their character. Shockingly, it seems as though this attack may have been connected to a certain group of people disliking Yukitama's in character actions rather than there being an actual problem.
Beyond even that, this has revealed a lot of disturbing trends when it comes to certain players aligning together against people they may not particularly like. Or perhaps better put IC actions they don't like.
Especially when the entire discussion was built on misinformation put forward by said people- leading to this massive and derailing debate. This was either a OOC response to Yukitama's IC actions, or some people are really bad at reading and interacting with other players.
Both are very much issues that will come up again if we don't address them now. This is not a problem(And that is absolutely what this is) that'll get better by ignoring what just happened.
To be clear, I am greatly entertained by the IC actions here and what they spell for the future. I take zero issue with those. I would also say that you dont get exactly what happened if you believe that this is a minor slight. These are not random Kobolds, this was not a minor incident. This is going to have massive implications that I cannot wait to see unfold.Beyond even that, this has revealed a lot of disturbing trends when it comes to certain players aligning together against people they may not particularly like. Or perhaps better put IC actions they don't like.
I for one am thrilled that dramas seem to be developing naturalistically out of the elements at work, but I feel that actually talking about the various developing conflicts at length is going to stifle that natural development.To be clear, I am greatly entertained by the IC actions here and what they spell for the future. I take zero issue with those. I would also say that you dont get exactly what happened if you believe that this is a minor slight. These are not random Kobolds, this was not a minor incident. This is going to have massive implications that I cannot wait to see unfold.
Nah fair enough.I for one am thrilled that dramas seem to be developing naturalistically out of the elements at work, but I feel that actually talking about the various developing conflicts at length is going to stifle that natural development.
I for one am thrilled that dramas seem to be developing naturalistically out of the elements at work, but I feel that actually talking about the various developing conflicts at length is going to stifle that natural development.
Please try to read the content of my posts in the future.I have no idea why this is even being discussed.
to the important matter of wether or not we can create tree and animal monsters without Tauphys' involvement
1. To what extent should Tauphys be involved in every race's creation? Many people have objected to him having to be involved in every race's creation. Yet, that has been the canon previously. We need to work this issue out right now.
Goodness no need to be catty.Please try to read the content of my posts in the future.
In other words a GM made an argument you feel should be disregarded. Fantastic, disregard it.It was used as an argument against Yukitama's character, which inflated into a digression. I noted how the issue had become a digression and even put Irrelevant Argument on it, in spoilers.
Ah so one person, uninvolved, made an argument you found to be Fallacious, therefore the other people making separate arguments are somehow invalid because... you just believe everyone must be arguing in bad faith.I then further went on to explain how it may be related to how the fake argument about Yukitama controlling all life may have been based on a players feelings being hurt in the IC, causing a group to take OOC actions in reaction.
hahahaha what? I aint backtracking, this is my first post since thats what the argument is about, and it's still the only argument I'm interested in.You're backtracking. This argument was never about the creation of tree folk or animal-kin. It'd be silly if it was. It was about this.
Goodness no need to be catty.
In other words a GM made an argument you feel should be disregarded. Fantastic, disregard it.
hahahaha what? I aint backtracking, this is my first post since thats what the argument is about, and it's still the only argument I'm interested in.
A GM and others in the thread seemed to (or explicitly did) take a stance that because Tauphys was lord of beasts, no one should create any "beast races" without his involvement. This was a problem for many, including a GM.
Someone said "I'm going to make ents" and someone else said "Hey I have a problem with that"
That conflict is literally all I give so much as a used fig about, and it's really all we should be discussing.
You can kindly stow your accusations of bad faith, the only one who even made an argument based on what happened IC was a third party GM, not the players in the origional argument (themselves not party to the IC happenings anyway), nor the separate player who was involved in the IC drama.
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Ah so one person, uninvolved, made an argument you found to be Fallacious, therefore the other people making separate arguments are somehow invalid because... you just believe everyone must be arguing in bad faith.
Yeah, made a lot of baseless accusations.I think you're confused about what I did here.
"The logic of one argument that is accepted doesn't obviously apply to other situations!"It's a non-argument that never needed to be a discussion. You were never approached by Yukitama about your sheet containing beast or tree people, nor were the other people who used beast or tree people.
The only person Yukitama approached about overlap was when someone was applying Ents and Plant(Not-Fungi) people.
Yukitama's God has the domain over nature and is a literal tree-man.
I mean its not like we had a GM make statements with implications outside that issue, or anything, oh... wait, shit we did.It was already agreed between players that Yuki would get Ents, and they absolutely should if they so desire. They're a giant tree God whose domain is nature. There's nothing really to debate there. Its been resolved, so please let that much go.
Well, look, you can continue to shriek nonsense all you want, I cant actually force you to stop.No, I will not. The likely suspects who created this entire issue out of <absolutely nothing> (And that is exactly what it is) are becoming deep allies within the IC itself, attacking the same player OOC, and liking each others argument posts in the OOC.
Look, ship was subject to a whole host of people doing that several pages ago, those guys liked each others posts and there can be alliances found there too in the IC. It doesn't mean they are all now allied against him or there is any faction or coordination between those players or clique with them. It means people took concerns with what his character sheet may imply in relation to their own gods and civilizations. The same thing happened here with Yukitama and different players had different concerns.No, I will not. The likely suspects who created this entire issue out of <absolutely nothing> (And that is exactly what it is) are becoming deep allies within the IC itself, attacking the same player OOC, and liking each others argument posts in the OOC.
That is concerning, and it goes beyond bad faith.
I also asked for a chill. Just a bit would be nice.Well, look, you can continue to shriek nonsense all you want, I cant actually force you to stop.
You can, but you shouldn't.