• The Sietch will be brought offline for HPG systems maintenance tomorrow (Thursday, 2 May 2024). Please remain calm and do not start any interstellar wars while ComStar is busy. May the Peace of Blake be with you. Precentor Dune

Israel versus Palestine: 2021 Edition

A

ATP

Well-known member
Captain X said:
Exactly - they use civilians as shields, either to prevent Israel from slapping them back for something they've done, or so they can put on a show for Western liberals.
Click to expand...
They are muslims,so for them dying in holy war is good thing.And children? boys could go to heaven,too,and girls...did arabs ever cared about live of their womans? well,only if they try become christian or meet kafir,then they killed them.

Which do not change fact,that Bibi started it to win election and do not get to jail for fraud.Since both sides/Bibi and muslims/ see war in which almost only palestinian die as something good,it would not change.
 
Battlegrinder

Battlegrinder

Someday we will win, no matter what it takes.
Moderator
Staff Member
Founder
Obozny
Aaron Fox said:
If I remember right, the various Rules of War do have the 'if the enemy is blatantly ignoring/abusing the Rules of War, then raise the red flag' consequence in some pretty diplomatic language.

Problem is, that is only useful if the PR war wasn't so dominated by the Palestinians.
Click to expand...

There are two relevant elements of international law or norms of warfare.

The first is that civilian buildings and infrastructure that is used for military purposes loses its civilian status and becomes a valid target.

The second is that collateral damage and civilian casualties are an accepted cost of war, so long as they are proportionate to the military value of the strike. Firing a grenade launcher into a house to clear a machine gun nest that's been set up inside is acceptable, even if the grenade kills the civilian residents of that house as well. Carpet bombing the entire neighborhood to clear that one gun.....not so much.


Hamas's PR strategy relies entirely upon ignorant westerners that either do not know either of the above, or are too sheltered to understand the realities of war and that civilian suffering is inevitable. And of course a compliant media that's willing to obfuscate certain questions about why civilian were so close to a military target (or in extreme cases, the existence of said military target in the first place).
 
Bear Ribs

Bear Ribs

Well-known member
On the flipside from the previous recording, a conversation between the IDF and a Palestinian farmer who just wants to work his plot:

Palestinian: Please continue.
IDF: You entered a part of the fence which is forbidden to be in during this time.
Palestinian: You want me to return home and leave the area?
IDF: I know bro you just want to work and you have an agricultural plot in the area.
Palestinian: If you want me to go, I will go, whatever you say.
IDF: Listen to me bro, I am concerned about your life.
IDF: I don't want you to get hurt, I know you just want to work on the land.
IDFL But now we are during a fight and it is best you stay at home.
Palestinian: You mean I should return home? If so, no problem.
IDF: Slow down brother, no pressure, just get away.
Palestinian: May God protect you, bless you and your children.
IDF: Brow, take care of yourself and your child, we are during a fight, so please be safe. Have a good day.
Palestinian: Thanks, you too.
IDF: Have a good day, goodbye.

 
Zachowon

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
GoldRanger said:
Anti-Zionists will say it's just a fake Hasbara recording. Every Hamas source is the literal truth, every Israeli source is staged. You can't win with these people.
Click to expand...
I mean it is possible but to be faked, but I doubt jt
 
Aaron Fox

Aaron Fox

Well-known member
Battlegrinder said:
Hamas's PR strategy relies entirely upon ignorant westerners that either do not know either of the above, or are too sheltered to understand the realities of war and that civilian suffering is inevitable. And of course a compliant media that's willing to obfuscate certain questions about why civilian were so close to a military target (or in extreme cases, the existence of said military target in the first place).
Click to expand...
More like that the ignorant westerners that don't have the time or money to go through the entire canon of the Rules of War because there are a lot of fucking rules to go over with an order of magnitude of precedent to go with it. I only know of certain bylaws of those rules because I had to research them for my future history setting.
Zachowon said:
I mean it is possible but to be faked, but I doubt jt
Click to expand...
Given DeepFake technology and its increasing proliferation? There will be always doubt, at least unless you can make unmodified video and images to carry a quantum superposition data tag to mark it as authentic.
Husky_Khan said:
Is there a charity or fund I can donate to where we can replace an innocent Palestinian child with a Western leftist volunteer as a Human Shield instead? 😢
Click to expand...
That would cause problems real quick... and I'm not saying the moral implications of this sort of thing either.
 
Captain X

Captain X

Well-known member
Osaul
A lot of it is just that the propagandists in the media don't even bother reporting the relevant details. For example, when the IDF took out that building that some news organizations had offices in, they neglected to mention that Hamas was the actual target, and that the IDF had called to warn all of them to get out.
 
Bear Ribs

Bear Ribs

Well-known member
Guidelines for Journalists by the The Arab and Middle Eastern Journalists Association, to ensure "accurate" reporting. Helps explain the media situation when their guidelines start from the assumption that Israel is in the wrong and go from there. Highlights include:
  • All reporting should take into consideration that Israel occupies Palestinian territory, and that Palestinians — whether they live in the West Bank, Gaza or inside Israel — are subject to an unjust and unequal system
  • Do not call Gaza “Hamas-controlled.” It is sufficient to say “Gaza,” or “Gaza’s Health Ministry,” for example.
  • Replace “eviction” and “real-estate dispute” with “forced removal.”
  • Avoid the word “clashes” in favor of a more precise description. Think twice before describing confrontations between Palestinian protesters and heavily-armed Israeli police reflexively as “clashes.” Confrontations often begin with police dispersing demonstrations using tear gas and rubber bullets.
So start from the assumption that Israel is a brutal and unfair occupier first, conceal how much of it involves Hamas, choose inflammatory words that vilify Israel. There's a few more in there.

 
Aaron Fox

Aaron Fox

Well-known member
However, that hold has been breaking down since the Associate Press has been using the internet as a bypass for this sort of information control.
 
M

Marduk

Well-known member
Moderator
Staff Member
Overall, that sort of stuff is still a risky balance between not being trustworthy to the audience and risking your employee's lives and families, at least those physically being in the area controlled by the people with guns and attitude who you kinda should be reporting doing illegal, unsavory and unpopular things. There's just no good choice there and any self respecting media organization should refuse to have any people on the ground in such areas for ethical reasons, because the people there, employees, subcontractors, or whatever, will more or less be faced with a simple choice - lie or suffer greatly and personally for pissing off the guys who want you to lie.

How many AP and Reuters reporters are there in Pyongyang?
 
Bacle

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
Marduk said:
Overall, that sort of stuff is still a risky balance between not being trustworthy to the audience and risking your employee's lives and families, at least those physically being in the area controlled by the people with guns and attitude who you kinda should be reporting doing illegal, unsavory and unpopular things. There's just no good choice there and any self respecting media organization should refuse to have any people on the ground in such areas for ethical reasons, because the people there, employees, subcontractors, or whatever, will more or less be faced with a simple choice - lie or suffer greatly and personally for pissing off the guys who want you to lie.

How many AP and Reuters reporters are there in Pyongyang?
Click to expand...
You know, that makes me think, has anyone looked to see if NK money or material might be going into Gaza?

NK and Iran already have a...semi cordial relationship, so not a stretch to think NK might be sending Hamas some funds or expertise, or might have observers on the ground examining the rocket attacks for their own plans against SK.
 
M

Marduk

Well-known member
Moderator
Staff Member
Bacle said:
You know, that makes me think, has anyone looked to see if NK money or material might be going into Gaza?

NK and Iran already have a...semi cordial relationship, so not a stretch to think NK might be sending Hamas some funds or expertise, or might have observers on the ground examining the rocket attacks for their own plans against SK.
Click to expand...
Very unlikely, completely different scale and type of needs. The maritime geography is very unfavorable to that, and unlike Iran, North Korea is not an massive oil producer with loads of money to throw around for little to no gain- and they have a nuclear program to fund on top of that, that shit isn't cheap. There is however material suggesting that they provide help in that and ballistic missile technology to Iran and Pakistan, though only as the side that gets paid for technical expertise, rather than providing the money.

NK has no interest in Hamas' primitive unguided rocket launchers or homemade knockoffs of soviet rockets though. They have industrial knockoffs of those, and proper, military truck mounted launchers for them, a battery of which can launch as many rockets in seconds as whole Hamas launches over a whole day, and more accurately too.
 
GoldRanger

GoldRanger

May the power protect you
Founder
Zachowon said:
NK also does not care for the middle east

They care about taking the pen and defeating the US.

Plus NK is poor
Click to expand...
NK does cooperate with Syria. It helped Syria kickstart its own nuclear program, before Israel bombed it in 2007.

However I doubt NK has any significant stake in Gaza. Iranian funding and training is more than sufficient to explain the stuff Hamas can do.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Top