Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

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Russian Army moving on Ukraine's second largest reactor. They already control a 5th of the power generation across Ukraine. Taking this will shut down Ukraine's factories or its civilian infrastructure.

Unlike Zachowon, Bill Roggio hasn't drank his own Kool-Aide and remains capable of realizing fuck-ups and calling for them to be fixed. He is still a NeoCon who wants to go to war with Iran though.



For what its worth, I don't think Putin even knows or cares who this guy was.



More fighting around Kyiv.
 
Chiron said:
Yeah and if Putin had done that, the Ukrainians would have mobilized all it reserves, made the cities fortresses, and the fighting would have bogged down into a series of sieges that would have sent deaths on both sides soaring.

Sorry but Putin is not playing that game, he is going for a relatively quick campaign of operational encirclements that pocket the bulk of UkA Forces from their supplies and forces their operational surrenders.

That way fewer people die and there is less he has to rebuild later plus less of a core to form guerrilla movements from as he can screen out the hardcores and ship them to Siberia.
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That's exactly what's happening...

Only now it's worse since the Russian's are out of supplies and fuel with a giant cold snap about to hit...
 
Vaermina said:
That's exactly what's happening...

Only now it's worse since the Russian's are out of supplies and fuel with a giant cold snap about to hit...
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Uh no, it isn't, the pocketed cities are incapable of fighting without supplies or support. The Russians are still advancing and are setting up forward supply dumps now as their doctrine calls for in order to continue further pushes forward.

Also Ukrainians currently under shelling and exchanging gunfire with Russian Forces are going to dispute the supply issue.

Especially Zelensky who is becoming increasingly unhinged and hysterical in his appearances and now has to contend with the loss of the bulk of his best troops and loss of a 5th of Ukraine's power production. Civilians are going to freezing.

Putin has this in the bag.

All the Twitter Trolling is just that. How many divisions does Twitter have?
 


Zelenski had to know asking NATO to establish a no-fly-zone and risk directly attacking Russian forces was not going to happen.

Wagner teams and Chechen special forces sent to assassinate Zelenski were thwarted by anti-war forces in the FSB.



If the FSB has anti-war elements powerful enough to thwart assassination attempts on Zelenski, then Moscow is nowhere near united in backing this escalation of the conflict.
 
Bacle said:
If the FSB has anti-war elements powerful enough to thwart assassination attempts on Zelenski, then Moscow is nowhere near united in backing this escalation of the conflict.
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I have hard doubts that they want to assassinate him, Capture him alive for a show trial and then quietly off him later maybe but killing him so obviously runs the risk of turning him into a martyr.
 
Carrot of Truth said:
I have hard doubts that they want to assassinate him, Capture him alive for a show trial and then quietly off him later maybe but killing him so obviously runs the risk of turning him into a martyr.
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I'll quote what I said in another thread:
Bacle said:
I don't think Putin want's Zelenski alive.

Killing him and most of the current gov, then installing/buying their own puppet to replace him in a new Moscow friendly gov, works in Moscow's long term favor. The longer Zelenski is alive and active, the more resistance Russia will face pacifing the nation and in controlling the international situation. If Zelenski is dead and most of his gov are dead, the easier time a puppet gov has of establishing it's own legitimacy.

What the West did to Ukraine via formenting Maidan and chasing out a pro-Russia President is going to likely be repaid with old school decapitation and replacement tactics in how Putin seeks to handle Zelenski.

Now maybe that is wrong, those articles are BS, and Putin isn't trying to kill Zelenski and most of the Ukrainian gov.

However, the idea fits old school ideas of warfare and recapture of 'rogue provinces' which seems to be how Putin views Ukraine, particularly with the oil deposits in Ukraine now in the open.
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Chiron said:
Uh no, it isn't, the pocketed cities are incapable of fighting without supplies or support. The Russians are still advancing and are setting up forward supply dumps now as their doctrine calls for in order to continue further pushes forward.

Also Ukrainians currently under shelling and exchanging gunfire with Russian Forces are going to dispute the supply issue.

Especially Zelensky who is becoming increasingly unhinged and hysterical in his appearances and now has to contend with the loss of the bulk of his best troops and loss of a 5th of Ukraine's power production. Civilians are going to freezing.

Putin has this in the bag.

All the Twitter Trolling is just that. How many divisions does Twitter have?
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Boy oh boy... You really need to stop drinking the Russian propaganda cool aid...
 
Bacle said:


Zelenski had to know asking NATO to establish a no-fly-zone and risk directly attacking Russian forces was not going to happen.

Wagner teams and Chechen special forces sent to assassinate Zelenski were thwarted by anti-war forces in the FSB.

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This seems about as connected to reality as the “Ghost of Kyiv”. No prisoner interviews? Or did people forget about all the “inside source scoops” centered around Trump? I still remember when business insider published the “trump claims to personal friends he will be reinstated” claim and some people just…believed it. They went and took the bait!


Vaermina said:
Boy oh boy... You really need to stop drinking the Russian propaganda cool aid...
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Do you have a source or just more dsa twitter ironybro “those are definitely words”-tier concern trolling?
 
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Important question! Did Zelensky have the beard at the start of this? I am not sure if he did before and I just happened to have glossed over it or if he has only just started to do so.
 
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Vaermina said:
Boy oh boy... You really need to stop drinking the Russian propaganda cool aid...
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In fairness, it's not like there hasn't been heaping helpings of it from the other side (both Ukraine and more broadly NATO/Europe/US) as well over this whole shitshow of a catastrophe.

I mean, he and the Russian propaganda remain more likely to be right in that Ukraine is doomed and it's all over but the shooting, death and suffering of civilians, and warcrimes (on both sides), but that's not a strong endorsement of the Russian military even in the best-case where they gained a victory over (another) corrupt, former-Soviet, border-state with endemic corruption issues and a military the fraction of the size or scope of Russia's by ingenious sacrificial tactics...And it's the opposite of an endorsement when the fanciful genius sacrificial tactics explanation is tossed-aside for the more likely occurence of Russia's military suffering from corruption itself, poor organization and leadership, and having poor performance in the field when encountering actual resistance at anything resembling a scale that the likes of Chechnya or Georgia were incapable of and that can't be erased from existence by the expedient of mass MLRS barrages of the offending grid-square because Ukraine has too many fuckin' grid squares.

In some ways, it's kind of a relief, really.
We int he US thought our Afghanistan fuckuppery in military leadership and organization was somehow a unique thing. Russia's giving us a demonstration that we're very much not alone in the department of having an absolute shitfest of a corrupt and incompetent set of moldering political appointees in charge of our military (and, hell, both probably operating more with military spending outlays or their future career/wealth prospects in mind than effectiveness).
 
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Agent23 said:
Up to date war maps:
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Maps like these serve only to confuse the viewer, implying there is some kind of continuous WW2-style front line and occupation of vast areas, neither of which is true. Red areas are not under any meaningful Russian control, as attacked supply convoys can attest. They can't be since the invasion force is so small and the area is so large.

Then again, isolated columns thinly spread across hundreds of thousands of square kilometers probably make for a far less impressive picture.
 
Emperor Tippy said:
The claim that the FSB is tipping off Ukraine about assassination attempts against Zelensky is highly dubious.

Ukraine loses nothing by spouting it, and it's impossible to credibly prove/disprove.
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Like the 200 “Donald Trump ranted to his inner circle about the White House carpet according to our insiders” articles that appeared in cnn over the years.
 
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