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prinCZess said:
I. Dunnow, witholding the plan from anyone aboard the rebel ships seems silly when the alternative in peoples minds is 'we're running until out of fuel, and then we shall die'. That kind of prospect would encourage damn-fool behavior.
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Given that technology-based external tracking through hyperspace was long thought to be impossible (and is one of the party tricks of the Supremacy), it's completely reasonable that they had some kind of First Order spy on board and needed to keep their strategy hidden. I really didn't think they needed to spoonfeed that to the audience, given that, "You can't track through hyperspace without some kind of active homing beacon planted on the target" has been a major plot point in multiple previous Star Wars movies, all the way back to A New Hope itself.

But, that aside, the dreadnought getting blown isn't shown to be as negative as it maybe should be? When they get into that chase sequence, Poe being wrong gets argued against because now at least the new-Imps don't have the big-ass laser cannons with them that would presumably be quite a problem for the shields.
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They're not big-ass laser cannons, they're orbit-to-surface autocannons with no ship to ship capability. Dameron was just being target fixated, much like WWII Japanese aviators who always went for the most glorious target.
 
ShadowArxxy said:
Given that technology-based external tracking through hyperspace was long thought to be impossible (and is one of the party tricks of the Supremacy), it's completely reasonable that they had some kind of First Order spy on board and needed to keep their strategy hidden. I really didn't think they needed to spoonfeed that to the audience, given that, "You can't track through hyperspace without some kind of active homing beacon planted on the target" has been a major plot point in multiple previous Star Wars movies, all the way back to A New Hope itself.



They're not big-ass laser cannons, they're orbit-to-surface autocannons with no ship to ship capability. Dameron was just being target fixated, much like WWII Japanese aviators who always went for the most glorious target.
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Except it is explicitly stated, by Poe admittedly, in the movie itself that dreadnoughts are fleet killers, and Captain Canady orders his crew to target the resistance cruiser.

So it obviously does have ship to ship capability, and if Poe hadn’t stuck with the assault the cannons probably would have got off a shot. Especially if the resistance was sticking around to pick up the bombers.

Unless those slow ass things had hyperdrive, a good possibility true enough, then one of the larger ships would have had to wait for them to latch on. Giving the First Order plenty of time to line up a shot.
 
Shame it's all because of horrible writing. It's funny because it was apparently meant to make Poe look bad, but it ends up making him look better in the end than basically anyone else. He did everything he could to save that fleet only to have it whittled down little by little, and it was all for want of a commanding officer who wasn't completely horrible to the point that she legit looked like a traitor trying to get them all killed.
 
Ruin Johnson: Nothing could be worse than Last Jedi!

Jar Jar Abrams: Is that a Challenge! HOLD MY BEER!


Me: This movie is going to suck so bad.....
 
I hope Mauler finishes his look at TFA before E9 comes out, but that's probably not going to happen at this rate. :/
 
Really, I don't see why Mauler feels the need to go into this kind of painstaking detail on how bad TLJ was. It just seems like he's going over the exact same points ha made in his original 30-minute "Unbridled Rage" video, and while shorter, that was much more pithy and damning.

An hour is probably my maximum tolerance for this sort of thing—there's only so many times you can go over this stuff before just throwing up your hands and admitting that The Last Jedi was just bad in pretty much every way a film can be bad, aside from special effects. Like, chill out, bro. It's just a bad movie.
 
prinCZess said:
Eh, in honesty it sounds like the Esquire interviewer was quote-mining for something that'd attract views because there's little context, nothing further on the matter, and they refer to Williams as 'he' throughout. Seems more like what might've been a relatively innocuous or offhand statement expressing a worldivew that's not really controversial ('there's masculine and feminine aspects to myself, and I've learned to let them show as appropriate' is the sentiment, 'gender fluid' as an identity is...somewhat more than that, I think?) and the quote got blown up because the interviewer, Esquire and/or Disney's marketing team or even Williams knew it'd get those clicks and stir up some 'controversy'.

Or maybe Williams is gender fluid and is just now able to express it. *shrug* The 50s-60s stage-to-screen pipeline for Broadway actors would be somewhat of the stereotypical location for that type of perspective to crop up. Dude was a good actor for Lando back in the day--even in the text interview he comes off as charming, and that's really the only thing an actor needs to do.
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Whatever it is it worked. Excellent clickbait 10/10.
 
prinCZess said:
Eh, in honesty it sounds like the Esquire interviewer was quote-mining for something that'd attract views
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*preen preen* I was right! *preen preen*
The clickbait was clickbait.
“Well, first of all, I asked last night. I said, ‘What the hell is gender fluid?’ That’s a whole new term,” Williams said in an interview with The Undefeated this week.
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“So, that’s what I was referring to. I was talking about men getting in touch with the female side of themselves. I wasn’t talking about sex, I wasn’t talking about being gay or straight. People should read [Jung]. I mean, it would be an interesting education for a lot of people.”
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Williams says he identifies as a man. A very cute man, he says with a chuckle.
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Well...He's right you know.

Williams honestly comes off in interviews as someone who'd be fun to have a drink with and talk to. Which isn't really anything any other actor in the SW movies have going for them (or a lot of other ones for that matter). Maybe he's just reached that age of ceasing to give two shits and it comes out in interviews so he actually displays some real personality instead of being the milquetoast generic-person or boundary-pushing avant-garde arteest that every other actor seems to try and present themselves as either for personal reasons or in the name of marketing.
 
Captain X said:
Shame it's all because of horrible writing. It's funny because it was apparently meant to make Poe look bad, but it ends up making him look better in the end than basically anyone else. He did everything he could to save that fleet only to have it whittled down little by little, and it was all for want of a commanding officer who wasn't completely horrible to the point that she legit looked like a traitor trying to get them all killed.
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The sad thing is (or terrifying; take your pick), the writers were probably trying as hard as they could to make said commanding officer look completely justified in doing what she did. Unfortunately, it seems that in their minds the only justification she needed was having a vagina.
 
Captain X said:
Shame it's all because of horrible writing. It's funny because it was apparently meant to make Poe look bad, but it ends up making him look better in the end than basically anyone else. He did everything he could to save that fleet only to have it whittled down little by little, and it was all for want of a commanding officer who wasn't completely horrible to the point that she legit looked like a traitor trying to get them all killed.
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It's hard to blame him as well when he had those horrible attack craft to work with. Were those flying coffins even shielded?
 
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