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Given the US is more than 30 trillion in the hole it should not be spending anything more than the barest of essentials.
With 25 trillion dollars owed... to itself.
Given the US is more than 30 trillion in the hole it should not be spending anything more than the barest of essentials.
Less than it was 2 years ago, especially in regards to young men and women.Mate, what do you think the population number of Ukraine is?
Yeah, the money owed to the Federal Reserve because of all the money printing they did for the other irresponsible spending, that people kept saying needed to happen despite us being brokeWith 25 trillion dollars owed... to itself.
Less than it was 2 years ago, especially in regards to young men and women.
Yeah, the money owed to the Federal Reserve because of all the money printing they did for the other irresponsible spending, that people kept saying needed to happen despite us being broke
You realize 6 million people have left or died in just 4 years right?36 million people.
Tell me, how many have died in the war or left? A few tens or hundreds of thousands?
No actually, it's mostly money that different parts of the government owe one another, or the federal government owes the states.
I'm gonna need a cite for that.You realize 6 million people have left or died in just 4 years right?
I'm gonna need a cite for that.
Kinda but not really. While ~21% of the debt is owed to foreign governments, 34% of the debt is owned by the government itself, but the rest is held by some manner of mutual fund/private hands/etc. The government still has to pay all of that. So it's $21T in debt to people that aren't the US government.Gonna be honest here... 80% of the "debt" is owed to ourselves.
There is no real security concern there.
Is dead wrong. Like completely, utterly wrong. In fact, it's a neat 50% wrong, as the actual number is half of that, at about $12.6T, again, not counting unfunded obligations (like social security, medicare, etc).With 25 trillion dollars owed... to itself.
This isn't the cataclysm you seem to think it is. It's bad, but if that was going to doom Ukraine, Russia's own population bomb was going to doom it just as badly.Look at Ukraine's population pyramid as of today.
Even if they have a radical shift in tactics and equipment and win this war next week, the damage has already been done.
The only solution to that problem would be colossal immigration and monetary inflow (debt) which would make Ukraine not-Ukraine in the same way Britain becoming Britainstan was a tragedy.
Are you going to be fair and make the same exact argument about the very similar population pyramid of Russia and make the same conclusion regarding plans of its leadership, or would you prefer to leave that part unsaid because it doesn't support the conspiracy theory you want?Look at Ukraine's population pyramid as of today.
Even if they have a radical shift in tactics and equipment and win this war next week, the damage has already been done.
The only solution to that problem would be colossal immigration and monetary inflow (debt) which would make Ukraine not-Ukraine in the same way Britain becoming Britainstan was a tragedy.
This isn't reddit, you should be able to google "Ukraine population X year" ya know.Ukraine - total population 1999-2028 | Statista
The total population in Ukraine was forecast to continuously increase between 2023 and 2028 by in total 2.9 million people (+8.74 percent).www.statista.com
How many fucking times.I doubt it. Captain X is usually good faith.
Because Ukraine requires western support to survive (much less win). And Russia cares more than the West about what happens to Ukraine.
I don't want Ukraine to lose. I just don't also see it as the US' job to back up Ukraine endlessly. If Ukraine was an actual ally beforehand, and not a very corrupt country that doesn't really have freedoms, then I'd want to defend it on principle. But as it is, I care, but not enough to throw endless wads of money at it.
Especially when a chief security concern for the US is the national debt. We simply cannot afford that much debt. Note that this isn't singling out Ukraine here, but a general principle that applies to a ton of places.
But it's stuff we aren't able to send to actually important stuff. The arsenal isn't infinite, and using stuff here saps our ability and more importantly, the political will, to do it in other cases.MOST OF WHAT WE SEND ISNT ACTUAL MONEY.
Yeah, it sucks, but also it's literally irrelevant to the actual strategic picture. If Ukraine survives at all, it's a complete loss for Russia. Russia not getting all of Ukraine, but keeping a few provinces, is like the US invading Canada but only getting British Columbia. It's an utter failure for them.And Ukraine losing is not what the west should want.
Because you dint let nations invade to take land and not do anything.
It shows weakness
Mexico isn't throwing jets and ballistic missiles across the border.But it's stuff we aren't able to send to actually important stuff.
Mexico isn't throwing jets and ballistic missiles across the border.
Sending stuff that has been put aside for moth ball or even destruction because of its age is diffrent then sending shit current units are using and equipped with.But it's stuff we aren't able to send to actually important stuff. The arsenal isn't infinite, and using stuff here saps our ability and more importantly, the political will, to do it in other cases.
No, it is a loss for Ukraine because now they have a neighbor who truly wants to conqure them right there, and who will, in 5 maybe 10 years once again attempt an invasion.Yeah, it sucks, but also it's literally irrelevant to the actual strategic picture. If Ukraine survives at all, it's a complete loss for Russia. Russia not getting all of Ukraine, but keeping a few provinces, is like the US invading Canada but only getting British Columbia. It's an utter failure for them.
No it isn't.Literally any peace deal that doesn't preclude Ukraine from joining NATO is a complete strategic victory for the US (not Ukraine, the US). Even if they can't, it hardly matters, they aren't a US ally, and don't have US values other than hating russia.
Which we still have plenty of.....I can assure you there is more then enough for us.As for showing weakness: No, russia already showed how weak it is. Now it's a waste of ammunition, ammunition needed to oppose China.
Just looking at those, and Ukraine is doing far worse than Russia (the people in the 20s not being there is huge). But I agree it's a stupid argument, population bombs don't matter until literally the next generation. Ukraine is doing a very normal thing: toss the future because otherwise there's no present. Hopefully a post war babyboom fixes it.Are you going to be fair and make the same exact argument about the very similar population pyramid of Russia and make the same conclusion regarding plans of its leadership, or would you prefer to leave that part unsaid because it doesn't support the conspiracy theory you want?
Population Pyramids of the World from 1950 to 2100
Russian Federation - 2023www.populationpyramid.net
I'm more talking about if an actual US ally/strategic interest get's attacked, like Poland or Taiwan. The only reason we care about Ukraine is that Russia wants it. Otherwise it's basically irrelevant.Mexico isn't throwing jets and ballistic missiles across the border.
Literally I barely care about Ukraine. I'm talking about the US here. The only reason the US cares about Ukraine is that Russia cares about it.No, it is a loss for Ukraine because now they have a neighbor who truly wants to conqure them right there, and who will, in 5 maybe 10 years once again attempt an invasion.
Oh, so if Russia won't agree to any peace, you want war forever then? Because that's the other option.No it isn't.
We know Russia will not follow peace deals, as seen with the breaking of the Minsk accords.
Unless we are willing to enforce the peace deal, which seems doubtful given either side of the political isle seems to be too hesitant to stand up to Russia.
We are also sending stuff that doesn't fit into this category e.g. HIMARSSending stuff that has been put aside for moth ball or even destruction because of its age is diffrent then sending shit current units are using and equipped with.
We are also sending stuff that doesn't fit into this category e.g. HIMARS
It has a very valuable strategic position on an important straight for world trade and manufacturers a lot of food and fertilizer.I'm more talking about if an actual US ally/strategic interest get's attacked, like Poland or Taiwan. The only reason we care about Ukraine is that Russia wants it. Otherwise it's basically irrelevant.