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With 25 trillion dollars owed... to itself.
Tucker Carlson Leaving Fox News
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With 25 trillion dollars owed... to itself.
Less than it was 2 years ago, especially in regards to young men and women.
Floridaman
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Yeah, the money owed to the Federal Reserve because of all the money printing they did for the other irresponsible spending, that people kept saying needed to happen despite us being broke
Vyor
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36 million people.
Tell me, how many have died in the war or left? A few tens or hundreds of thousands?
No actually, it's mostly money that different parts of the government owe one another, or the federal government owes the states.
You realize 6 million people have left or died in just 4 years right?
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I'm gonna need a cite for that.
Ukraine - total population 1999-2028 | Statista
The total population in Ukraine was forecast to continuously increase between 2023 and 2028 by in total 2.9 million people (+8.74 percent).
www.statista.com
Kinda but not really. While ~21% of the debt is owed to foreign governments, 34% of the debt is owned by the government itself, but the rest is held by some manner of mutual fund/private hands/etc. The government still has to pay all of that. So it's $21T in debt to people that aren't the US government.
Moreover, you haven't even looked at unfunded obligations. When you add that to the US's debt, it balloons.
Frankly, we are dead broke buying Louie handbags.
This, for example:
Is dead wrong. Like completely, utterly wrong. In fact, it's a neat 50% wrong, as the actual number is half of that, at about $12.6T, again, not counting unfunded obligations (like social security, medicare, etc).
Also, I still don't see why the US should fund the war. Ukraine isn't an ally, it isn't some bastion of democracy. Russia isn't our main threat either (that's China by a country mile). Taiwan? Sure, you could then make this argument, and you could make it a lot easier. But Ukraine?
Look, is it shit that Putin invaded? Yes. But a lot of bad things happen all the time. That's not our job to fix. And in fact fixing it has likely lowered our ability to monitor and deal with other stuff. Intelligence assets, etc, have and were moved to look at that instead of other, much more strategically relevant things.
So Tucker taking a stance against US support is a normal stance. Tucker interviewing a bad person is him attempting actual journalism. Now maybe he fails, maybe he succeeds, but either way, this is right in line with how journalism is done.
LordsFire
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This isn't the cataclysm you seem to think it is. It's bad, but if that was going to doom Ukraine, Russia's own population bomb was going to doom it just as badly.
I could go on, but there's already enough derailing going on in this thread.
Are you going to be fair and make the same exact argument about the very similar population pyramid of Russia and make the same conclusion regarding plans of its leadership, or would you prefer to leave that part unsaid because it doesn't support the conspiracy theory you want?
Population Pyramids of the World from 1950 to 2100
Russian Federation - 2023
www.populationpyramid.net
Vyor
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This isn't reddit, you should be able to google "Ukraine population X year" ya know.Ukraine - total population 1999-2028 | Statista
The total population in Ukraine was forecast to continuously increase between 2023 and 2028 by in total 2.9 million people (+8.74 percent).
Yes, but I don't want to put forward the effort to get facts for your position.
Of course, by that logic almost 3 million people died or left in 2014 and another 1.7 million did the same from 2014 to 2021. Indeed, according to that website Ukraine's population has been dropping every single year since 1999 which... doesn't seem likely or possible.
How many fucking times.
MOST OF WHAT WE SEND ISNT ACTUAL MONEY.
It is the value of the equipment, and is basically us doing Lend Lease Act from ww2.
But it seems everyone fucking ignores that.
Plus it comes out of our defense spending, or did if it wasn't for fuckers in congress.
And Ukraine losing is not what the west should want.
Because you dint let nations invade to take land and not do anything.
It shows weakness
But it's stuff we aren't able to send to actually important stuff. The arsenal isn't infinite, and using stuff here saps our ability and more importantly, the political will, to do it in other cases.
Yeah, it sucks, but also it's literally irrelevant to the actual strategic picture. If Ukraine survives at all, it's a complete loss for Russia. Russia not getting all of Ukraine, but keeping a few provinces, is like the US invading Canada but only getting British Columbia. It's an utter failure for them.
Literally any peace deal that doesn't preclude Ukraine from joining NATO is a complete strategic victory for the US (not Ukraine, the US). Even if they can't, it hardly matters, they aren't a US ally, and don't have US values other than hating russia.
As for showing weakness: No, russia already showed how weak it is. Now it's a waste of ammunition, ammunition needed to oppose China.
Vyor
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Mexico isn't throwing jets and ballistic missiles across the border.
Ukrainians could send us advisors. Their experience in trench warfare, mine laying and drone surveillance operations would be invaluable on securing our border since we can't seem to figure it out ourselves.
Sending stuff that has been put aside for moth ball or even destruction because of its age is diffrent then sending shit current units are using and equipped with.
Yes the arsenal isn't infinite but it helps bring back the production of war materials we need to have ready in case a major war breaks out.
Welcome how to war economies work....
Hell, we sent them stuff thay we arnt even legally allowed to use by our own damn rules.
No, it is a loss for Ukraine because now they have a neighbor who truly wants to conqure them right there, and who will, in 5 maybe 10 years once again attempt an invasion.
No it isn't.
We know Russia will not follow peace deals, as seen with the breaking of the Minsk accords.
Unless we are willing to enforce the peace deal, which seems doubtful given either side of the political isle seems to be too hesitant to stand up to Russia.
Which we still have plenty of.....I can assure you there is more then enough for us.
And what Ukraine is teaching us is how effective our equipment is against peer opponent equipment.
A lot of which China has copied or has directly.
So valuable testing data.
Add in that having Ukraine be willing to actually like us so we can use thier experience to help train js also invaluable
Just looking at those, and Ukraine is doing far worse than Russia (the people in the 20s not being there is huge). But I agree it's a stupid argument, population bombs don't matter until literally the next generation. Ukraine is doing a very normal thing: toss the future because otherwise there's no present. Hopefully a post war babyboom fixes it.Are you going to be fair and make the same exact argument about the very similar population pyramid of Russia and make the same conclusion regarding plans of its leadership, or would you prefer to leave that part unsaid because it doesn't support the conspiracy theory you want?
Population Pyramids of the World from 1950 to 2100
Russian Federation - 2023
I'm more talking about if an actual US ally/strategic interest get's attacked, like Poland or Taiwan. The only reason we care about Ukraine is that Russia wants it. Otherwise it's basically irrelevant.
Literally I barely care about Ukraine. I'm talking about the US here. The only reason the US cares about Ukraine is that Russia cares about it.
Oh, so if Russia won't agree to any peace, you want war forever then? Because that's the other option.
Instead, get peace, and in that 5 year gap, add Ukraine to NATO. Then Russia's properly fucked on any westward expansion.
Poe
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We are also sending stuff that doesn't fit into this category e.g. HIMARS
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And getting very valuable real world data on performance.
It has a very valuable strategic position on an important straight for world trade and manufacturers a lot of food and fertilizer.