United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread
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DarthOne
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Well...beats us going to war over it.
I think I fixed that for you. 😇 😎
Terthna
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This is probably the best possible outcome; our only other options are to turn the country into a blasted hellscape, or start a nuclear war with Russia.
Russia already had control over all of Ukraine before this whole mess started; be satisfied that our latest attempt at regime change wrested the western half of the country from their sphere of influence.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
I would take anything Timcast says with a large grain of salt, as he's a bit of an alarmist and a provocateur to gin up his subscribers. That said, it's certainly a possibility. That said....blasted hellscape or nuclear war?? Respectfully, you're sounding a bit alarmist, kind of like one of Tucker Carlon's monologues. The Russians would have, or might yet be slugging it out with the Ukrainian army. All we would have done is supply them some weapons, sit back and watch the show.
Russia already had control over the Ukraine? The Ukrainian nationalists might have a thing or two to say about that. If anything, the Ukrainians were getting tired of kowtowing to Putin and Medvedevs wishes and wanted to go their own way. And how is what Timcast is claiming the best possible outcome if it's true? In which case, "peace in our time"?? At least, until Russia starts rumbling again for another piece or territory, and so on and so forth. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? If so, Putin got what he wanted via Viking politics, "give me tribute, or feel my wrath".
We would probably get invovled
49ersfootball
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Assuming you watched the Lying in Repose for former United States Senator Robert J. Dole (R-KS) at the US Capitol Rotunda on C-SPAN ?
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
I call that unlikely. Why? Because Ukraine may be a NATO "partner"....but it's not a NATO member, big difference. No Article 5 here. That's a technical reason. The other more obvious reason? After the debacle in Afghanistan, I don't see anyone in the US at the moment having the appetite to get involved in another potential quagmire, this time against the Russians which could quickly escalate into something worse. What's to be gained? Not a lot of anything. It sucks for the Ukrainians, but that's realpolitik for you. Best case scenario if the Russians are pushing West? We give the Ukrainians weapons, they put up a fight, and buy time for the Poles, Hungarians and Romanians to upgrade their arsenals. If the Russians eventually show up on their borders, unlikely they'll invade right away, but if their "little green men" tactics works before....why not try again??
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Bob Dole deserves the utmost respect, because he earned it, and lived well. Sadly, there are fewer statesmen like him these days. Then again, he belonged to a different era, not like the era we live in now.
Kamala Harris? The only respect she's earned thus far is when she was on her knees, or on her back.
49ersfootball
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2021: Losing many American patriots
*Former US Secretary of State George P. Shultz
*Former US SECDEF Donald Rumsfeld
*Former VA Governor Linwood Holton (R)
*Former US Secretary of State & former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Colin Powell
*Former United States Senator Robert J. Dole (R-KS)
Terthna
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I suppose we could enable a forever civil war, but the result of that wouldn't be much better than "blasted hellscape", at least not for the people living there.
Unfortunately, what they had to say was that they were going to kill everyone who disagreed with them; which is what led to the coup. If the Ukrainians were getting tired of "kowtowing to Putin", why did they vote in a guy who was openly pro-Russia in 2010? I'll tell you why; it's because a majority of Ukraine was also pro-Russia. The "Ukrainian nationalists" who conducted the coup were a minority faction with close ties to organized crime and various extremist groups, including one that basically worships Nazi Germany. When they took over, one of the first things they did was murder anyone and everyone they could get their hands on who questioned their authority. The second thing they did was empty the country's coffers to enrich themselves. The third was fight amongst themselves for power.
Considering all that; is it any wonder the people of Crimea and Donbass took one look at what was happening, and immediately turned to Russia for aid? Russia doesn't want territory; they want a buffer region between them and NATO. The only reason they're there now is because of our shenanigans; backing a regime change to try and bring Ukraine out of Russia's sphere of influence, and into ours.
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One should hope not. The USA owes the world nothing, and its people should not bleed becauae the elites demand more blood for their Moloch. You might go all Raa-Raa over fighting yet another goddamn war. But if you think no soldier is going to frag their commander if they try to drag them off to another pointless war, then I have a bridge for you in Nevada for sale. And frankly, I would applaud them for doing so.
Yes, I'm sure it will work just like giving Hitler the parts of Czechoslovakia worked.
TyrantTriumphant
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In all fairness, Putin is not a genocidal lunatic like Hitler was. He's just an expansionist authoritarian douchebag. The worst case scenario is that he ends up conquering parts of the Ukraine and the Baltics. Not great, but not the end of the world either.Yes, I'm sure it will work just like giving Hitler the parts of Czechoslovakia worked.
Which is exactly the aspect my example pertains to.
So not only "fuck Ukraine" but "eh, I'm sure he'll stop with that."
TyrantTriumphant
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He'll have to stop with that. He doesn't actually have the capability to conquer anything else. Russia is not the power that is once was.
Also, I'm not saying we shouldn't help the Ukraine, I'm still undecided on that issue myself. I'm only saying that Putin's ability to do damage is limited.
Bigking321
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I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't start a war with Russia when China is right there waiting for a excuse to invade Taiwan and control our main computer chip supply and that is a much bigger problem than the Ukraine. I'm sorry but that's how it is.
Stolen elections have consequences and putting in a senile wimp that seems to despise his own country more than anywhere else has apparently given the signal to the rest of the world that nows the time to start stuff.
Stolen elections have consequences and putting in a senile wimp that seems to despise his own country more than anywhere else has apparently given the signal to the rest of the world that nows the time to start stuff.
stephen the barbarian
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i don't think anyone here wants to put bidin in charge of a war.