United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread
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Robovski
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Because the quagmires just never stop Zach. Our local allies lean on us for defense and need Russian gas, I doubt many will get involved.
Terthna
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Some of them are willing to fight against the Russians; the rest are willing to fight alongside them. You're basically looking at another Korean, or Vietnam war; neither of which ended well for us.
My POV is simply that Ukraine is not a hill the US needs to die on. There are many ways to push back against potential agression in the Ukraine.
Terthna
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Mine is that the west are the aggressors in Ukraine; seeing as we started all this by backing a violent coup to try and bring the country out of Russia's sphere of influence, and into ours. Russia aren't the bad guys here; we are.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
I find larger ladies attractive myself but I like them to have large jovial personalities to match. Many femenist are....frankly the oppisite of big, fun, and jovial.
the last thing a man wants to deal with after dealing with drama and bullshit at work is to go home and deal with more drama....
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
I always say, when I man gets married they want a partner IE an equal, not a dependent. and no simply cleaning the house and helping with sexual needs does not a partner make.
bintananth
behind a desk
Um ... keeping the house clean and watching the kids is a full-time job with mandatory overtime and no vacation days. "Mommy" is on call 24/7/365 and she has to put up with Daddy's "you don't have a real job that brings home the bacon" bullshit.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
I find that a curious statement, considering Russia has been essentially under defacto rule by Putin since 1999 and has been slicing up portions of Moldava, Georgia, and now the Ukraine with the Crimea and Donbass...and maybe more in the future. I'm not particularly anxious to see us get stuck in a quagmire in the Ukraine either, but somehow we are the bad guys??
Just because I despise Biden and Obama, doesn't mean I need to have a favorable view of Putin and his cronies.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
He didn't include being a mother in what he said.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
If I wanted merely a maid and a nanny I'd hire a maid and nanny. If I simply needed a sexual release, I'd spend a weekend in vegas. It's not about whether something is a "real job or not." it's the fact that a marriage (to me at least) needs to be more than a business contract ala "you take care of my house and give me sex and in exchange I will give you physical and financial security." Contrary to what media and society would like to portray. Men have emotional needs too. but it seems like it's expected of men to bare all the emotinal weight of the family. Eventually something gives.
bintananth
behind a desk
Yes, eventually something does give and divorces are neither cheap nor pretty. Roughly half of all American marriages end with a divorce or seperation. That's just the relationships where both parties say "I do" and "Until death do us part".
Most American couples don't even get to the "will you marry me?" followed by the "Yes." which has to happen before the wedding takes place.
Actually, that stat is currently falling. We're down to around 40%.
bintananth
behind a desk
Which still sucks. It's an improvement, but that's not saying much beyond "we're a bit more accurate when tossing darts at the dartboard".
It's important in that it indicates a lessening of the whole 'free love' society, which was itself an attack on the family.
What if you see Obama, Biden, and Putin as equally bad and responsible for this mess, and think the US should remove any troops from Ukraine ASAP?
Selling Ukraine weapons is one thing, posting 'trainers' and the like there is just asking for US servicemen to die, if either side twitches the wrong way.
Pull US troops back to Romania and Poland; Ukraine is not worth one US servicemember's life and is not an 'ally', it's a corrupt, crapped out nation we should have left alone and not tried to get into NATO.
DC needs to stop trying to poke the Bear, when the fucking Dragon is already eating our lunch and owns a lot of our nation.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
It is a mess. Last I checked though, Obama ceased to be president back in 2016 and is out of the picture. I would be shocked if Biden even ran for POTUS again in 2024, his ratings are in the toilet and the Democrats are already talking about "alternate candidates" to run in 2024 other than Harris.
Putin by comparison? He is not going away and is going to be dictator for life, and is surrounded by brutes and Yes Men. He can essentially do whatever he pleases, which includes making more headaches for the rest of the world, not just the US.
The Russians miss the grand olde days of the USSR and the Russian Empire, and want it back. Sounds lovely, except it tends to create problems for the neighbors, and in turn everyone else.
I have no problem pulling the US troops back to Romania and Poland....just one small problem. If Ukraine falls? The Russians will be on Poland, Romania and Hungary's doorstep. And none of those countries last I checked are eager to see Russian troops again. And they're NATO countries.
Ukraine is a "partner" to NATO, not a NATO member. Any push to see Ukraine enter NATO was half baked at best and most of NATO should have rightly balked at that. If anything NATO was more interested in keeping Ukraine as a buffer state against Russia, but how long that lasts remains to be seen.
And when is DC "poking the Bear"? The Russians are the good guys now because they're not Western liberals?? Please see my earlier comment about how the Russians are playing the long game by slicing off pieces of Georgia, Moldava, Ukraine, etc. Meanwhile, Putin has all that petroleum he's willing to sell to energy-starved Western Europe, like a morphine drip. Cheap ready supply of petroleum and they love it...as long as they play by Putin's rules, and Putin knows it. NATO won't do much more if he invades and takes the rest of Ukraine other than make a few conferences and wringe their hands.
China is a big problem and will need to be dealt with, but they are not the insurmountable threat some make them out to be. And who's to say Russia and China aren't working together? Sure, they have a history of border clashes and playing the world game for influence, but with both having a mutual enemy in the US, well, "the enemy of my enemy is friend", as they say, or at least to an extent. Is it at all a coincidence that the Chinese are increasing air and naval patrols around Taiwan as the Russians are moving more assets into place next to Ukraine?
I agree with most of what you said.
Nope, they are both pushing the US to see how far they can shove this administration. Afghanistan showed the Biden admin to be fairly week and incapable, and both China and Russia want to see how much they can get away with.
I think that the whole situation with Russia is one the US created when we continued to try to treat them as the bad guys to gin up support for domestic politics, after the Berlin Wall fell and USSR dissolved.
We could have kept the good relations we had till after 9/11, but then Bush went into Iraq and suddenly Russia started worrying about the US using lies to justify wars/attacks on uninvolved parties (Saddam was a bad guy, but had nothing to do with 9/11). Oh, and what we did to Gahdaffi did not help the Russians feel any less paraniod about the US warmongering for ourselves and our allies using lies. Then we push the whole Maidan shit and get involved heavily when the damn rebels shot down that airliner. Now Russia should have kept their rebels on a better leash, the whole airliner shoot-down is on them, and open Western interest and intervention would not have escalated so quickly if that had not happened.
Yes Putin wants another USSR, partly for the glory and prestige, but also for the security against an increasingly irrational and untrustworthy US/West/NATO. So Russia decided getting back some old teritories via diplo/social efforts and grey zone tactics was the best way to push US and NATO forces farther from their borders.
Russian's are naturally paranoid about being invaded, because it's happened so many times, and we decided to keeping feeding the Russians paranoia in our own actions, to make sure our mil-ind complex and Pentagon pensions were fed a steady diet, and Bush's rash decisions gave Russia a new reason to worry about US intentions on their perimeter/periphery. PLus, eastern Ukraine was Western Russia till Gorby redrew the maps.
Also, Obama is the guy feeding Biden his lines in most respects, so he's still in the game, if not in office, and the Russia shit is an issue where the establishment Cold Warriors could not let the Bear sleep, and gave it new reason to fear us when the helped Bush Jr. invade Iraq on a lie. The Ukraine shit is just the latest in a long line of the US and NATO trying to fuck with Russia via proxies, when they should have just left well enough alone and tried to not give Russia more reason to think that NATO and the US want to have tanks and planes right up to his borders.
Russia has done shit to us over the last few years, and is cozzying up to the CCP, because all the goodwill and trust built with Russia after the USSR dissolved was destroyed by W's daddy issues and Cold Warrior's could not stop poking the Bear or giving it reason to fear how rational or trustworthy the US leadership is.
However, at this point, the US has no moral high ground over Russia in this conflict, the risks of the conflict escalating by putting more US troops in Ukraine massively outweigh anything to be gained by getting deeper into the Ukrainian quagmire. Our best move is to pull all our 'trainers' back to Poland and Romania; Ukraine is not the hill to fight or die on, not when Taiwan is far more vital the world, and the Baltics are actually worth defending, if Russia tries to go for them.
There are no good guys in this situation, at least not outside local Ukrainians fighting for their homes.