Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

Navarro

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That’s an oversimplification of the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning that I was trying to explain before and how I consider only inductive reasoning to be really relevant toward sociological and philosophical matters.

On another point, what I'm really worried about with Biden-Harris isn't oppressive laws but the resumption of the abuse of Executive Orders and the Executive Branch agencies against conservatives that took place under the Obama era.
 
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On another point, what I'm really worried about with Biden-Harris isn't oppressive laws but the resumption of the abuse of Executive Orders and the Executive Branch agencies against conservatives that took place under the Obama era.


Sure, and it will be a problem, but the court is further to the right and Obama’s EOs couldn’t stop the Tea Party or Trump.
 

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On another point, what I'm really worried about with Biden-Harris isn't oppressive laws but the resumption of the abuse of Executive Orders and the Executive Branch agencies against conservatives that took place under the Obama era.
Oh, that will happen, if Biden steals this election..

It'll be Operation Chokepoint times a thousand, and across many industries.

All while BLM/Antifa use grey zone tactics to harass anyone that does employ or support Trump supporters, or just attack them in the streets if they dare to wear MAGA gear and expect progressive DAs to just give them a slap on the wrist before letting them go.
 
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Sure, and it will be a problem, but the court is further to the right and Obama’s EOs couldn’t stop the Tea Party or Trump.
This is the conservative mindset, that I lambasted earlier.

"we'll always do better next time", and "oh things won't be that bad".

Absolutely no sense of either urgency or perspective. A Harris administration will absolutely crack down on "hate speech" and seek to enshrine the left of the party's objectives. Or at least make them happy through censorship and the like.

The courts are a stop gap, and that is all they are and that is what every serious conservative activist considers them to be. Its like...I dunno the Left has penetrated the castle, and the courts are the last wall in the citadel. Somehow this last stopgap defense is what we must savor when the city and castle are lost. The Tea Party was...concerned about deficits or something, stunning truly, I must clap.

Biden will re enter the TPP and the Paris Agreement and ensure the US is subjected to their terms, and he will grant amnesty to ten million illegals. While ramping up migrant intake.

Republicans may get their tax cuts, but absolutely will get nothing else.

The demographics of the country will continue to shift against us, and Jesus Christ-have you seen the lessons in school plans? The amount of propaganda the next generation will be subject to is astounding.
 
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So y'all keep reporting one another and I'm tired of looking at them all. This thread can spend the next 24 hours locked. If something significant breaks before then, that might change. If you want to specifically talk about election fraud, there is another thread for that. If you want to talk about the DOOM!!! of a Biden Presidency, there is a thread for that. If you want to debate political philosophy, well he have a whole subforum basically for that.

So locked until tomorrow night unless 1) something substantial occurs with regards to the election, 2) an Admin feels like overriding me, or 3) I fart unicorns.
 
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This is the conservative mindset, that I lambasted earlier.

"we'll always do better next time", and "oh things won't be that bad".

Absolutely no sense of either urgency or perspective. A Harris administration will absolutely crack down on "hate speech" and seek to enshrine the left of the party's objectives. Or at least make them happy through censorship and the like.

The courts are a stop gap, and that is all they are and that is what every serious conservative activist considers them to be. Its like...I dunno the Left has penetrated the castle, and the courts are the last wall in the citadel. Somehow this last stopgap defense is what we must savor when the city and castle are lost. The Tea Party was...concerned about deficits or something, stunning truly, I must clap.

Biden will re enter the TPP and the Paris Agreement and ensure the US is subjected to their terms, and he will grant amnesty to ten million illegals. While ramping up migrant intake.

Republicans may get their tax cuts, but absolutely will get nothing else.

The demographics of the country will continue to shift against us, and Jesus Christ-have you seen the lessons in school plans? The amount of propaganda the next generation will be subject to is astounding.


If you're worried about fundamental cultural impulses, having a President against them won't do anything productive, only grassroots cultural efforts will. And Trump was an enabler of the culture of immorality and crassness, anyway. Honestly, there's nothing that says "Post-Eclipse Society" more than Traditionalists defending a man who behaves like Trump.
 
Knock off the personal attacks & trolling

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Well it's been 24 hours, so this thread is being unlocked.

Let me make this plain though. Going forward I will be handing out thread bans like candy on Halloween. No telling people they are unwelcome on the forum, no personal attacks on one another, no blatant trolling, etc.

Consider this an official mod directive to behave like adults politely expressing your disagreements. Failure to behave like adults politely expressing your disagreements will get you thread banned under Rule 3: Failure to follow staff directions.
 
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Zachowon

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Is it bad the Rule 3: made me think you did an upside down cat face?

Anyway, so any news about states and recounts, elections in the states changing
 

PeliusAnar

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Is it bad the Rule 3: made me think you did an upside down cat face?

Anyway, so any news about states and recounts, elections in the states changing
Trump is gearing up for a massive legal dump it appears. From all the things coming out. The majority of legal challenges so far have been by independent groups for the most part. It seems PA and the MI case are fairly heavy, but Trump's reps and himself keep alluding to something much bigger, like Dominion. So I give it a week or less and then he will drop the lawsuits. I have no doubt they are making sure every i is dotted and every t is crossed so there can be nothing ruled out due to procedural or jurisdictional issues. Also seeing how some of the thing play out as well and collect evidence.

All that the majority of people can do is wait. I will say that, by Thanksgiving we will have a clear understanding of the cases and their legal merits that Trump's administration is filing.
 

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In the next few days people all over are gonna see something extraordinary. Pay close attention. God's hand is moving in these events. So when things go down. Know ye this. It is God's will.

It is good you have your faith, it will help you in these trying times. I think I will find comfort in my own more secular beliefs, and that people have had enough of this bullshit and are willing to fight.
 

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Ignoring the issue of being able to prove system issues with electronic voting machines/tabulation because that is a game changer of such massive scale that it redefines everything.

There are two real legal issues that are somewhat interrelated:

1) Vote-by-mail rejection rates, especially with signature matching requirements. The expected, historical, rejection rate is around 1%, in the states in question this year - despite a ten fold increase (or more) in vote by mail - the rejection rate is a tenth of that.

This is a big issue in Nevada, PA, Georgia, and to a lesser extent WI & MI. Getting intervention from either the courts or election officials to cure the problem is relatively unlikely at scale.

All of those VBM records though are subject to FOIA/Open Records requirements and there are groups already intending to to actual signature matching on at least NV and GA. Those private efforts won't be able to impact the election result simply because of timing, but they are still going to be done and are likely going to result in major scandals before 2022.

2) Failure of state election officials to follow state election laws. This is at the root of the pending SCOTUS case and has the potential to throw WI, MI, PA, and GA (at least) into uncharted territory. All four of those states have implemented procedures (especially with regards to mail in voting) that conflict with the plain text of state election law, and if SCOTUS rules that state election law controls then you are looking at more than the Biden margin of victory in every one of those states being thrown into dispute.

In GA, they would have to re-do the signature match for every mail in ballot as the procedure used was created via consent decree and its at odds with state law.

In PA, every ballot counted without meaningful observer access would have to be tossed. Along with every ballot "cured".

In all four states you would at least have the legal issues resolved and it would become a simple trial of fact. And the initial standard for that is every fact alleged by the plaintiff is accepted as true. Which would mean both discovery and federal injunctions against certifying election results in multiple states.
 

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Trump is gearing up for a massive legal dump it appears. From all the things coming out. The majority of legal challenges so far have been by independent groups for the most part. It seems PA and the MI case are fairly heavy, but Trump's reps and himself keep alluding to something much bigger, like Dominion. So I give it a week or less and then he will drop the lawsuits. I have no doubt they are making sure every i is dotted and every t is crossed so there can be nothing ruled out due to procedural or jurisdictional issues. Also seeing how some of the thing play out as well and collect evidence.

All that the majority of people can do is wait. I will say that, by Thanksgiving we will have a clear understanding of the cases and their legal merits that Trump's administration is filing.
So strap in for a wiles ride?
In the next few days people all over are gonna see something extraordinary. Pay close attention. God's hand is moving in these events. So when things go down. Know ye this. It is God's will.
Amen Sailor. Amen.
 

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Trump is gearing up for a massive legal dump it appears. From all the things coming out. The majority of legal challenges so far have been by independent groups for the most part. It seems PA and the MI case are fairly heavy, but Trump's reps and himself keep alluding to something much bigger, like Dominion. So I give it a week or less and then he will drop the lawsuits. I have no doubt they are making sure every i is dotted and every t is crossed so there can be nothing ruled out due to procedural or jurisdictional issues. Also seeing how some of the thing play out as well and collect evidence.

All that the majority of people can do is wait. I will say that, by Thanksgiving we will have a clear understanding of the cases and their legal merits that Trump's administration is filing.
I am definitely waiting and hoping to see what comes of it.

One of the lawyers said she was releasing the Kraken. Either you take it seriously or deride it.
 

random_boy232

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Looking like the chances of SCOTUS giving the election to Trump fantasy going around in this thread is becoming increasingly impossible.Trump's legal teams current score 1-24, don't expect it to improve much.
In the next few days people all over are gonna see something extraordinary. Pay close attention. God's hand is moving in these events. So when things go down. Know ye this. It is God's will.
You were saying the exam same thing a week ago back when Trump first lost.
 

Zachowon

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Looking like the chances of SCOTUS giving the election to Trump fantasy going around in this thread is becoming increasingly impossible.Trump's legal teams current score 1-24, don't expect it to improve much.

You were saying the exam same thing a week ago back when Trump first lost.
So they did not do anything....how is that a destreuction of our fantasy?
 

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