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CurtisLemay

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Ok, for what it's worth.

Was talking with a liberal friend of mine who is as scared as I am of the rhetoric coming from his own side of late. He wasn't a Trump fan, but he's convinced that we've left 50% of the country in the dust with the new information economy and all that came with it. We screwed flyover country hard for a long time, and left them with no future. And naturally, when Trump came along, he promised someone was going to be made to feel their pain. Naturally, it resonated. His fear? That unless the Dems start really meaning the unity talk (and he's not convinced they do either?) and really listening to the forgotten half of the country, we'll face a real domestic crisis. I can't help but agree.

To me, when the coasts tell flyover country "Learn to Code, Bruh!" I am left thinking it's like Marie Antionette telling the Vendee "Let them eat cake."
 

Doomsought

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Right now, we need to take advantage of federalism. Focus on state level resistance to federal overreach. Look towards Texas and South Dakota. Texas because they are too big and loud to ignore, and South Dakota because they have a principled governor.

I'm sticking by my pre-election predictions. Things will only heat up during spring, and an organized civil war will only happen if the federal government tries to use force on a state resisting illegal orders.
 

Cherico

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Ok, for what it's worth.

Was talking with a liberal friend of mine who is as scared as I am of the rhetoric coming from his own side of late. He wasn't a Trump fan, but he's convinced that we've left 50% of the country in the dust with the new information economy and all that came with it. We screwed flyover country hard for a long time, and left them with no future. And naturally, when Trump came along, he promised someone was going to be made to feel their pain. Naturally, it resonated. His fear? That unless the Dems start really meaning the unity talk (and he's not convinced they do either?) and really listening to the forgotten half of the country, we'll face a real domestic crisis. I can't help but agree.

To me, when the coasts tell flyover country "Learn to Code, Bruh!" I am left thinking it's like Marie Antionette telling the Vendee "Let them eat cake."

Its not just fly over country the democrats nuked a lot of american cities economy with their covid response. California already has a petition to get rid of newsome. The economy got fucked hard and lets face facts biden is not well. He can not realistically handle the after math of what is going to happen.

And next year the boomers start retiring enmass and the era of cheap credit ends for generations.

The political relinment is fixed its neo Optimates vrs neo Popularies, Trump was our first Grachi brother. Now we are going to have 8-10 years of cancel culture an overt opression that creates an even stronger angier populist movement that will sweep to power.

that will be our last chance at reform if that fails civil war will become envitable.
 

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That's probably not a wise tactic.
Well in my case I won't be calling him anything but "Mr Biden" for the duration of his term, because I have to much respect for the office of president to even begin associating his name with it, and I would call him that even if I had proof he had won in a one hundred percent legitimate fashion during the election or in the words of King Of The Hill.

Doctor: "Come now Mr. Hill we all use drugs...Even the president."

Hank: "Not my president! I voted for Dole! The only thing he's on is pain killers and he earned it!"
 

Abhishekm

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Well in my case I won't be calling him anything but "Mr Biden" for the duration of his term,
Is that even a big thing anymore? Calling politicians by name instead of title I mean. Unless someone is tryting to make a anal retention point about it sn't that hope people mostly talk about them anyway?

Also who still used Mr? Or any prefix really.
 

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Well in my case I won't be calling him anything but "Mr Biden" for the duration of his term, because I have to much respect for the office of president to even begin associating his name with it, and I would call him that even if I had proof he had won in a one hundred percent legitimate fashion during the election or in the words of King Of The Hill.

Doctor: "Come now Mr. Hill we all use drugs...Even the president."

Hank: "Not my president! I voted for Dole! The only thing he's on is pain killers and he earned it!"

Chairman Xoe Bideng has a nice ring to it.
 

Abhishekm

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Not really applicable to Biden rn but it should definitely be done when the politician is out of office. They aren't titles of nobility.
I mean in office. Like outside official or news documents who even says House Majprity Leader Nancy Pelosi or even Senator Ted Cruz? Like is it even much of a thing when talking about people in office?

I mean is it really even a habit anymore? Like whats even Angela Merkel's title again? President, Prime Minister or other? Or Shinozo Abe when he was Japans...I want to go with Prime Minister?

I feel like half the time even news goes with Leader of Country X once and then just uses their name.
 
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I mean in office. Like outside official or news documents who even says House Majprity Leader Nancy Pelosi or even Senator Ted Cruz? Like is it even much of a thing when talking about people in office?

No that's definitely a thing with some people, at least for the titles that aren't super long. I've known people who were insistent about it being "President Obama" and not just "Obama," "Speaker Pelosi" not "Pelosi" etc.
 

Abhishekm

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No that's definitely a thing with some people, at least for the titles that aren't super long. I've known people who were insistent about it being "President Obama" and not just "Obama," "Speaker Pelosi" not "Pelosi" etc.
I feel like that needs a name. Prefix Trotsky's maybe? Title Teutons/Tyrants?

Nah, maybe Prefix Pundits and Title Trotskyists work better. For the Alliteration.
 
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Airedale260

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Ok, for what it's worth.

Was talking with a liberal friend of mine who is as scared as I am of the rhetoric coming from his own side of late. He wasn't a Trump fan, but he's convinced that we've left 50% of the country in the dust with the new information economy and all that came with it. We screwed flyover country hard for a long time, and left them with no future. And naturally, when Trump came along, he promised someone was going to be made to feel their pain. Naturally, it resonated. His fear? That unless the Dems start really meaning the unity talk (and he's not convinced they do either?) and really listening to the forgotten half of the country, we'll face a real domestic crisis. I can't help but agree.

To me, when the coasts tell flyover country "Learn to Code, Bruh!" I am left thinking it's like Marie Antionette telling the Vendee "Let them eat cake."

I find in interesting you say this for two reasons, and note that I'm in full agreement with you on the content:

First, I too had a conversation with a friend from way back who is a lifelong Democrat, and he also agrees that the crazies on the left side of the party are causing insane amounts of trouble. He's lived in both Charlotte and San Francisco, and as he put it, he understands very well that they're completely different and cannot and should not be the same.

He was hoping Biden would be the guy to manage differences given his track record in the Senate and as VP, but it's pretty clear that's not going to hold. He agrees we need to restore confidence in our elections and thinks Pelosi's idea of having the feds take over election security is absolutely insane for multiple reasons (federalism for one, another is the fact that putting the least trusted institution in this country in charge of elections is obviously not the way to restore credibility).

The other is I just finished George Friedman's latest book (on his predictions for the 2020s). The short form is that what we are witnessing is the whole idea of a technocracy run by experts coming to an end because it's very clear it no longer works. This is not unusual in history, as the relationship between the government and the people shifts to adapt to new reality (first from 1787-1865, then 1865-1945), so this is about the time where he expects we'll see more of a "Get the job done but be flexible and take into account how it impacts other areas" mentality, as opposed to the current situation where everything is done in separate pieces with no regard for the whole.

Likewise, there's a shift in socio-economic reality every 50 years or so, and the last one was in 1980 (more or less). And it's always bumpy, so there will be instability but it'll get straightened out.

Basically, Trump was a symptom of the populist bent politics is taking, and while there's talk of a "return to normalcy" the truth is that any attempt to stick with it is going to blow up, and the president overseeing it is going to wind up like Buchanan and Carter in the history books. Note that this was written prior to Biden winning the nomination, but if anyone is a candidate of the prior (failed) status quo, it's him.

Likewise, whoever wins in 2028 is likely to make a mark in the history books, so it'll be interesting to see.

Its not just fly over country the democrats nuked a lot of american cities economy with their covid response. California already has a petition to get rid of newsome. The economy's got fucked hard and lets face facts biden is not well. He can not realistically handle the after math of what is going to happen.

And next year the boomers start retiring enmass and the era of cheap credit ends for generations.

The political relinment is fixed its neo Optimates vrs neo Popularies, Trump was our first Grachi brother. Now we are going to have 8-10 years of cancel culture an overt opression that creates an even stronger angier populist movement that will sweep to power.

that will be our last chance at reform if that fails civil war will become envitable.

I doubt it. As I replied to Curtis LeMay above, what we are seeing really isn't that unusual when you consider American history. I'd really suggest getting Friedman's book and reading it, especially since it pertains to the United States rather than an oligarchic slave society that doesn't actually have *that* much in common with 2020s America.
 

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I mean in office. Like outside official or news documents who even says House Majprity Leader Nancy Pelosi or even Senator Ted Cruz? Like is it even much of a thing when talking about people in office?

I mean is it really even a habit anymore? Like whats even Angela Merkel's title again? President, Prime Minister or other? Or Shinozo Abe when he was Japans...I want to go with Prime Minister?

I feel like half the time even news goes with Leader of Country X once and then just uses their name.

It's cumbersome to include their title every single time their name is said, but generally what will happen is, as you say, the media use it once at the start of the story and then use just their name or just their title throughout the rest of their piece. In my observation, it's more common in conversion to use the name and title unless the title is particularly long (No one calls her "Speaker of the House Pelosi").

The "Mr" thing is....iffy. There has been a change in the usage of titles by the media shifting towards using the term (even during the Obama years, so it's not like it was done out of spite), but it's also perceived as disrespectful by many (because you're clearly willing to address them by title, but are using the "wrong" one) and is done so intentionally by a lot of people.
 

Abhishekm

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The "Mr" thing is....iffy. There has been a change in the usage of titles by the media shifting towards using the term (even during the Obama years, so it's not like it was done out of spite), but it's also perceived as disrespectful by many (because you're clearly willing to address them by title, but are using the "wrong" one) and is done so intentionally by a lot of people.
Oh there probabaly are people who don't use it just as there are these who use it too much. But I mean in regular conversation how often do people even put Mr or Misses in front of names anymore? Especially in third person. I've been assuming most political titles have been going that way too just like job titles or Dr.

Could be just me though. Don't really go into the whole title thing much.
 

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Joe Biden signed 15 Executive orders of 17 Executive actions.

1.) Halting construction of the Border wall. So get ready for Migrant waves to resume.

2.) Ending the Kyleystone pipeline. Congratulations...thats 450,000 jobs gone right there.

3.) Putting America back back on the Paris climate accords.

Just these 3 actions alone will have a detrimental effect on the economy.
 

Tiamat

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Joe Biden signed 15 Executive orders of 17 Executive actions.

1.) Halting construction of the Border wall. So get ready for Migrant waves to resume.

2.) Ending the Kyleystone pipeline. Congratulations...thats 450,000 jobs gone right there.

3.) Putting America back back on the Paris climate accords.

Just these 3 actions alone will have a detrimental effect on the economy.

It will be “interesting” to see what sort of economy we have in a few years, and whether Joe will take credit for it or try to pass it off on Trump...
 

Duke Nukem

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Joe Biden signed 15 Executive orders of 17 Executive actions.

1.) Halting construction of the Border wall. So get ready for Migrant waves to resume.

2.) Ending the Kyleystone pipeline. Congratulations...thats 450,000 jobs gone right there.

3.) Putting America back back on the Paris climate accords.

Just these 3 actions alone will have a detrimental effect on the economy.
Biden is already a disaster and its barely been a day.
 

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It will be “interesting” to see what sort of economy we have in a few years, and whether Joe will take credit for it or try to pass it off on Trump...


Oh that's easy to figure out. If the economy is doing half way decent then Biden will take credit. If it's in the shitter then Biden will blame TTrump.

Trump will then rightly point out he rebuilt the Economy and had it in overdrive in under a year and gave us 4 years of unprecedented prosperity. But the Dems will once again ignore reality in favor of their own.
 

Tiamat

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I guess I should have added I was being a bit rhetorical, as I think I know how the economy will be, among other things.

I fear the future.
 

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