Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I'm not worried but I'm interested in it's conclusion.
Beanie boy thinks the Democrats are fracturing.
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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Beanie boy thinks the Democrats are fracturing.
mesonoxian
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Yeah, if you decide that only people associated with tabloid garbage like OAN are trustworthy and everybody else is a lying, including government officials, the people involved, and the military then good game, you are totally immune to reality.Because the AP would never, ever lie to anyone.
Actually, I believe, from what I have heard, her claims were that a server was seized in Germany. I don't think she said that it was the military that conducted the raid. I don't think there would be a need to send the army if there are local German agencies that can do it for the US.
"Dominion was the subject of a 2020 hoax, amplified by followers of the far-right QAnon conspiracy theory and later spread by One America News Network, President Donald Trump, and Trump surrogates and supporters. They have alleged that the company’s voting machines were compromised, resulting in millions of votes for Trump being deleted or switched to votes for Joe Biden in the 2020 United States presidential election "
A hoax? Is that what we call accusations of voter fraud now? Well thank God their sources are NBC, AP, and the NYT. Because otherwise, we might have to believe a website that exclusively locks out any dissent from its editors.
Former Head of DHS, I think you mean.
Sorry, I'd assumed you'd brought more to a discussion than your daddy complex. Now why don't you run off home and ask one of your assblasted buddies if any of them want to take their turn taking it up the tailpipe.
She said the US military was "involved", regardless it would be a pretty big deal. The fact that there is not a shred of evidence this raid actually happened means expecting solid details is wishful thinking.
"Hoax" is probably a strong word. Hoaxes usually construct evidence, rather than just saying the thing they wish was true. This is more just a lie.
Krebs was never head of DHS. He was head CISA. He was fired because he didn't flatter Trump, just like so many other people have been. There is a reason only brain dead lumps like Rudy Giuliani are still hanging around at this point.
Ooo, looks like somebody is getting sensitive. I do find it hilarious that you think getting laid is supposed to be some sort insult, but in fact I have an awful headache and sex sounds roughly as appealing as eating a cheese grater right now.
Pocky Balboa
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Something else to consider is that Powell may think she can do more going independent. I'm guessing this is going into criminal, and Trump cannot be financing or even having a finger of involvement in that situation to avoid the whole conflict of interests deal.
mesonoxian
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I am a leftist. I haven't trolled anybody though. Unless this is explicitly supposed to be an echo chamber, disagreement isn't trolling.
I have taken pains not to gloat. It sucks when you suffer a major disappointment and having somebody be an asshole to you about it doesn't usually make it better. I do think it is a good thing Trump lost, but I'm not interested in making the people upset about it feel worse.
Gohmert isn't Powell.
You claimed Powell lied, and that you had evidence of it, but you don't, at most you have evidence that Gohmert was wrong about a single detail.
Goalpost shifting. You claimed DHS, Chris Krebs does not represent the DHS.
He also got fired for the very thing you are trying to claim as being accurate.
Actually she claimed Smartmatic technology software which Dominion uses was created in Venezuela.
And it was.
mesonoxian
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Indeed, Gohmert isn't Powell. Gohmert is just the only other person who has said anything about it and I was attempting to clarify was an Army spokesman would have been sought. Louie Gohmert has a bad case of being an idiot, so it is entirely possible he thinks "army" and "military" are synonyms.
What goalposts? CISA is under the supervision of DHS, and is specifically the agency involved in election security. And yes, he got fired for telling the truth, because the truth didn't flatter Trump, who is notoriously thin skinned. Trump has fired or had quit a truly unprecedented number of officials. That isn't because he is accepting only the highest quality applicants.
Dominion isn't affiliated with Smartmatic nor do they use Smartmatic software. Smartmatic has sold voting machines to Venezuela but they started doing so before Chavez was elected, and Chavez in fact lost several key votes before dying in 2013. So the claim they are using evil communist software to subvert the elections is based on ... nothing. Dominion doesn't use the software, the software is from a Florida based company, and it wasn't developed to let Chavez change votes.
Yes... And your claim was that what you provided was proof that Powell was a liar.
The goalpost of "DHS said".
You meet that goalpost by showing the spokesperson or head of DHS making a statement confirming the claim, anything else, isn't.
The link Between Dominion, Sequoia, Smartmatic, and the CCP
The constant behind all these corporate reorganization transaction and acquisitions has been the software in the vote counting software and the connection to the CCP
You might want to read that.
Eh, from the outside, its hard to distinguished between panicked thrashing and asserting total victory. I think Academic Agent made the comment that its hard to tell if they're being sloppy and blatant because they feel like their about to lose, or they feel they've already won.
Like, when the EU tried to put in a EU friendly PM in Italy by fiat, was that a sign of desperation and fear, or a sign that they thought they had already won so much that they didn't need to bother hiding the use of their power anymore?
It probably does in some ways vary by leftist: like, I assume basically every election in Detroit in the last 60 years has in some way been fraudulent. Given how legendarily corrupt and mismanaged that city is, its voting system being some exception to the cities corrupt mismanagement seems implausible. So, in that case I could easily see the local Democratic machine simply ramping up the fraud machine a bit more this year than last year without much thought because they're alwasy able to get away with it, and know nothing ever really happens to them.
mesonoxian
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Come on, are you really linking Gnews as a source? But okay, I read it. So what? Nothing in it is significant. A company bought a competitor ten years ago. A different company relocated their offices. A guy worked for two companies in the same field. Just data points strung together with the implication they must mean something sinister.Yes... And your claim was that what you provided was proof that Powell was a liar.
The goalpost of "DHS said".
You meet that goalpost by showing the spokesperson or head of DHS making a statement confirming the claim, anything else, isn't.
The link Between Dominion, Sequoia, Smartmatic, and the CCP
The constant behind all these corporate reorganization transaction and acquisitions has been the software in the vote counting software and the connection to the CCPgnews.org
You might want to read that.
Okay, moving on. I did say and continue to say Powell was a liar. No one has confirmed this raid happened. The company in question (Scytl) doesn't tabulate votes, they don't have an office in Frankfurt to raid and they deny it happened. The Army is the only group mentioned in connection with this raid and they say it didn't happen. The German's haven't mentioned it. No one who works in this supposed office has posted about it on social media. It just didn't occur.
CISA is the agency under DHS that monitors election security. They said the election was secure.
This didn't happen. Trump lost the election. He lost the popular vote last time, and he hasn't gotten more popular, so this shouldn't come as a surprise.
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Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
What do you mean by attack the source not the data?
We see several examples above. But basically, seeking to dismiss an argument on the grounds that <disfavored by your side> source is being used to back it up. It's not against the rules, but we mods aren't going to play the sort of games that are common on our sister sites regarding sources.
I can't help feel you missed the part about the shell companies...
Claiming someone's a liar is a positive claim.
Meaning it's something you have to prove if you want to claim it.
No, they didn't.
Chris Krebs didn't even say that.
It did happen, but we don't know how much at this time, or whether the correction of what did happen will be enough to flip the election.
Also while I might not like him, numbers say Trump actually has gotten more popular.
When the MSM and their tech allies are doing everything to push the 'Biden won, and legitly' and 'no election fraud happened, there is no evidence, affidavits aren't evidence' narratives everywhere, after years of lying and misrepresenting Trump/the GOP/conservatives in general, we have every fucking reason to doubt anything mainstream outlets are saying, and mock those who quote them un-ironically.
The fact is, civility won't save anyone, or this forum, if Biden is able to steal his way into office. We are in a battle for the future of the United States, and for the world, against globalist forces bent on thier 'Great Reset' that Trump is getting in the way of.
The Staff here need to realize that no rules they have, no toeing the line on the Hatch Act, nothing, will save them from the same lists Trump supporters are being put on for harassment, vengance, and social destruction.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
No problem with that ironically when I was unsure about the epoch times as Bacle called me out for. My position has changed even if years of being told so hasn't.
I never said anything about it being against the rules to do just that, @Bacle, feel free to mock sources, just don't then turn around and try to call the mods to swoop in and hit people who use sources you don't like. We're not going to play the sources game, for either side.
Want to mock somebody for quoting CNN and believing them? Go for it. Want to mock somebody for using Breitbart News or The Gateway Pundit? Feel free. Expect the mods to intervene to enforce your preferred sourcing? Not happening.
Want to mock somebody for quoting CNN and believing them? Go for it. Want to mock somebody for using Breitbart News or The Gateway Pundit? Feel free. Expect the mods to intervene to enforce your preferred sourcing? Not happening.
mesonoxian
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I saw the bits about shell companies, I just didn't see anything substantial.
And yes, it is a positive claim. No, I can't prove that an unspecified branch of "our forces" didn't raid an office that doesn't seem to exist, in an action no one made any record of. I don't think I have to in order to know she's just one more grifter in Trump's wake.
As for what Krebs said, here is the statement:
Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees | CISA
The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State...
www.cisa.gov
Specifically: "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised." I would think a server full of secret crime votes would contradict that.
You are now making the positive claim the raid did happen. I hope you've got some proof there.
I don't think Trump did get more popular. He got more votes than last time, but Joe Biden got even more votes than that, and it isn't because Joe Biden is so appealing and likable. He managed to motivate a large part of his base to come out. But he also managed to motivate a lot of Biden's base, and a lot of people like me who don't like Biden, but think Trump is substantially worse. In a normal election year, I wouldn't have voted for the Democratic candidate.
We do not need sourcing enforcement, but do not act like this is a 'both sides' issue in regards to media truthfulness.
Yep, his votes broke the algorithm the Dominion software was using to cheat.
That's why those states 'stopped counting' for the night, so they could create more faked ballots in a rush, which magically showed up at 4 am when counting was supposed to be done for the night.