Impeachment

Legaleagle is full of shit, he is the same guy who tried to bullshit for Captain Marvel assaulting the biker. Actually he isn't full of shit, but he is being incredibly biased and one sided. I think Viva Frei explains it best, and he even tries to be fair and balanced in another video.


 
FriedCFour said:
Even then the cherokee had a civil war of which side they supported as just one example. The most famous Native Americans of the war would be Colonel Parker and Stand Watie who fought for the Union and Confederacy respectively. There was no native americans as an identity either, thats a very recent thing. Even the Indian wars saw very large numbers of Native Americans fighting on the side of the united states.
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People are unaware of stuff like this. They're also unaware that Indians started shit all the time. Between them and us and everyone else. Hell the Iroquois Confederacy was massive and they even influenced the Constitution. Native History is pretty fascinating.
 
Well, we no longer need to deal with hearsay evidence about Trump asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent, here he is on tape asking two seperate countries to do so.



People can disagree about whether or not Biden should be investigated, but it's impossible to say he hasn't done it.

EDIT: For more info about what actually happened in Ukraine, here's a video describing the timeline of events, I hope this clears up the confusion.

 
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mymatedave10 said:
Well, we no longer need to deal with hearsay evidence about Trump asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent, here he is on tape asking two seperate countries to do so.


People can disagree about whether or not Biden should be investigated, but it's impossible to say he hasn't done it.
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Saying someone should do something because you would do so if you were in their position doesn't mean you are asking them to do something.

That's basic English.

Also you should be ashamed for trying to use that clip as evidence of anything given they cut questions out of the interview to make it look like he was saying we should pressure the Chinese to investigate Biden instead of what it really was IE about how we should pressure China on the upcoming trade deal talks.
 
Vaermina said:
Saying someone should do something because you would do so if you were in their position doesn't mean you are asking them to do something.

That's basic English.

Also you should be ashamed for trying to use that clip as evidence of anything given they cut questions out of the interview to make it look like he was saying we should pressure the Chinese to investigate Biden instead of what it really was IE about how we should pressure China on the upcoming trade deal talks.
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And this application of th hat criminal statute is arguably unconstitutional as applied to the president of the United states. It effectively limits the presidents executive authority as chief diplomat without a constitutional amendment.
 
Wow. That is an interesting perspective on this issue, Trump as President has access to the greatest information gathering organisations in the world and he asks the President of another to investigate a political opponent that polls say has the greatest chance of beating him and you don't find it worrying.

When even Fox News' Tucker Carlson condems Trump's action, that's an interesting take. He disagrees with impeachment of course, but he at least doesn't pretend he nothing wrong.
 
mymatedave10 said:
Wow. That is an interesting perspective on this issue, Trump as President has access to the greatest information gathering organisations in the world and he asks the President of another to investigate a political opponent that polls say has the greatest chance of beating him and you don't find it worrying.

When even Fox News' Tucker Carlson condems Trump's action, that's an interesting take. He disagrees with impeachment of course, but he at least doesn't pretend he nothing wrong.
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So to wit, you're ignoring what Trump actually said in favor of what people are incorrectly claiming he said, while suggesting Trump should violate the national sovereignty of other countries.
 
mymatedave10 said:
Wow. That is an interesting perspective on this issue, Trump as President has access to the greatest information gathering organisations in the world and he asks the President of another to investigate a political opponent that polls say has the greatest chance of beating him and you don't find it worrying.
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You mean like President Obama did with President Trump during his election campaign?
The democrats broke that rule first, so turnabout's only fair as far as I'm concerned.
 
Lanmandragon said:
People are unaware of stuff like this. They're also unaware that Indians started shit all the time. Between them and us and everyone else. Hell the Iroquois Confederacy was massive and they even influenced the Constitution. Native History is pretty fascinating.
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People love to project their own ideology onto indigenous peoples of the United States instead of taking them to be complex, independent cultures with their own histories, grandeur, laws, customs, and evils, too.
 
mymatedave10 said:
Wow. That is an interesting perspective on this issue, Trump as President has access to the greatest information gathering organisations in the world and he asks the President of another to investigate a political opponent that polls say has the greatest chance of beating him and you don't find it worrying.
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I find it worrying that as president of the United States he cannot rely on his own country's intel system, yes.

But the American government doing an end-run around the constitutional protections of its citizens by allowing other countries to do the spying instead and pass on the info is nothing new. It's been that way for a long time.
Is it suddenly wrong only now because it's Trump?
 
We obviously see this differently. From my perspective, and it's not just me, conservatives and Republicans have said this as well, Donald Trump has asked Zielensky to investigate his political opponents and used his personal lawyer, Giuliani to talk to the Ukrainians about Joe Biden. As is showed in the second video, the investigation was started years before Biden's son joined the board of Burisma.
 
mymatedave10 said:
Wow. That is an interesting perspective on this issue, Trump as President has access to the greatest information gathering organisations in the world and he asks the President of another to investigate a political opponent that polls say has the greatest chance of beating him and you don't find it worrying.
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Are they? I'm actually not so sure about that greatest part if I'm honest. And that's ignoring how locals are more likely to be better at investigating themselves then your intelligence agencies are going to be. Well that and I wouldn't trust the CIA and other intelligence agencies further then I could throw them but hey.
 
Scottty said:
I find it worrying that as president of the United States he cannot rely on his own country's intel system, yes.
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...When that intel system has straight up said it doesn't like Trump and would like it very much if he'd never gotten elected some distrust of them is, perhaps, only natural. When the President apparently can't trust ANY level of classification to stay secret some distrust is, certainly, only natural. When that system has outright spied on his election campaign some distrust is, probably, only natural.

I could go on and on and on about reasons Donald Trump has to distrust basically the entire administrative structure he is technically head of but frankly I think I've illustrated my point pretty well.
 
mymatedave10 said:
We obviously see this differently. From my perspective, and it's not just me, conservatives and Republicans have said this as well, Donald Trump has asked Zielensky to investigate his political opponents and used his personal lawyer, Giuliani to talk to the Ukrainians about Joe Biden. As is showed in the second video, the investigation was started years before Biden's son joined the board of Burisma.
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So because Bidens son joined after the investigation had already started, he's absolved of guilt or criminality? As for Trump asking about Biden, we have just to point to Crowdstrike. They are a Ukraine company hired by the DNC for the Russia Hacks investigation. The DNC refused to give their server to our IC, but a private, foreign security company. And the FBI was forced to assume they are correct because they've never seen the server nor the data on it.

That sounds WORSE then asking someone to link into the Biden matter. It's entirely possible he thinks Biden's connections in Ukraine may be linked to Crowdstrike. I sure wouldn't bet against it at this rate. Who does Burisma's Cyber-security?
 
mymatedave10 said:
We obviously see this differently. From my perspective, and it's not just me, conservatives and Republicans have said this as well, Donald Trump has asked Zielensky to investigate his political opponents and used his personal lawyer, Giuliani to talk to the Ukrainians about Joe Biden. As is showed in the second video, the investigation was started years before Biden's son joined the board of Burisma.
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Speaking of that second video, I thought the guy seemed familiar, so I did some digging; did you know he was convicted back in 2007 on Visa Fraud and Alien Smuggling Conspiracy Charges? Apparently, he was part of a group that helped people from countries like Bulgaria and Romania enter the country illegally, and find work in the Florida hotel industry.
 
mymatedave10 said:
Wow. That is an interesting perspective on this issue, Trump as President has access to the greatest information gathering organisations in the world and he asks the President of another to investigate a political opponent that polls say has the greatest chance of beating him and you don't find it worrying.

When even Fox News' Tucker Carlson condems Trump's action, that's an interesting take. He disagrees with impeachment of course, but he at least doesn't pretend he nothing wrong.
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I'm still waiting for your response, to my response here.
 
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