Tucker Carlson Leaving Fox News

[Vyor]

You all do realize the monetary figure...os how much it is all worth and hoe much they are sending in money.
Basically, a 25 billion dollar package, includes the cost of the vehicles, say Brad's or Abrams, missiles, etc.
Not jist actual fucking money

Also it's like... almost nothing in terms of our actual federal budget? Literal pennies.

 

[Zachowon]

Also it's like... almost nothing in terms of our actual federal budget? Literal pennies.

But Vyor, it is causing inflation and could be put towards something domestic! Like trans kids rights!

 

[Bacle]

That is the most retarded take I have heard. We do have a large nuclear arsenal and Russia knows we will use it. Gonna have to start calling you Cheney.

You make the mistake of 'mirror thinking', of thinking the Russian psyche is the same as the western psyche, and that therefore they must operate on the same logic as us.

Russia as a nation has shown the ability to make massively, massively retarded decisions through multiple generations, and relying on Russia to 'not be retarded' is a bad idea and guaranteed to fail.

Planning for Russia to get more retarded, however, usually is a safe bet.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

You make the mistake of 'mirror thinking', of thinking the Russian psyche is the same as the western psyche, and that therefore they must operate on the same logic as us.

Russia as a nation has shown the ability to make massively, massively retarded decisions through multiple generations, and relying on Russia to 'not be retarded' is a bad idea and guaranteed to fail.

Planning for Russia to get more retarded, however, usually is a safe bet.

Nah dude you sound like a Bush era neo con trying to fear monger us into more stupid conflicts that only benefit Raytheon stock.

 

[IndyFront]

That you think Russia has no hand in pushing illegal immigration into the US via our southern border, and ignore the groups like allied with Russia that do (like Hamas and Hezbollah), shows you are massively ignorant about what actions Russia has actually taken, and still takes, against the US.

That you think Russia has no hand in poisoning US academia also shows your historical ignorance.

The ignorance you demonstrate about the hand Russia has played in turning the liberals into progressives also is what people like Tucker Carlson count on in his audience.

LMAO! Russia is not this omnipotent Lovecraftian abomination, it's a rump state of the Soviet Union on the verge of collapse. Russia is a hilariously pathetic shadow of what the Soviet Union was. What you are describing is something China would be more likely to have a hand in than Russia.

 

[Poe]

Uh, no he doesn't. Seriously, think on that a bit.

Yes he does though, so unless you want to elaborate on some novel theory as to why you're just wrong and annoying

 

[Bacle]

Nah dude you sound like a Bush era neo con trying to fear monger us into more stupid conflicts that only benefit Raytheon stock.

The neo-cons were wrong about many,many things. They were not wrong that Russia was still a threat, as history has shown.

Betting against Russian stupidity has been a losing bet, more often than not, in history.

LMAO! Russia is not this omnipotent Lovecraftian abomination, it's a rump state of the Soviet Union on the verge of collapse. Russia is a hilariously pathetic shadow of what the Soviet Union was. What you are describing is something China would be more likely to have a hand in than Russia.

The KGB/FSB still reports to the Kremlin, the Russian Empire is still how they view themselves, and time has shown again and again that Russians as a people will do some of the dumbest shit in the name on national pride and narrative.

That isn't to say the CCP isn't also a threat on par with Russia; both need to the regime in Moscow and in Beijing need to fall for the good of the human species.

 

[Zachowon]

Both Russia and China want to see the fall of the US.
Russia is still mad about losing the cold war.

 

[LordsFire]

But hey prolonging a war that Ukraine can't win

This is the part I've still never seen an explanation for.

Why do so many people keep claiming Ukraine can't win?

 

[Captain X]

I don't give a fuck about what rights Russia gives to people. I'm talking about an American, doing journalism. You said he doesnt have the right. He abso-fucking-lutely does.

He has the right to interview anybody, anywhere, any time. That's an American right. Others deciding that they do or don't want to has FUCK ALL to do with American rights. The rights people have in Russia have fuck all to do with Tucker's rights as an an American journalist to take whatever interviews he can get.

You are just aggressively doing everything you can to miss the point.

I don't support Russia but I also don't think we should be wasting anymore of our money on Ukraine. Especially considering the fact that we have an invasion on our own southern border.

Wanting Ukraine to defeat Russia is not mutually exclusive from wanting our own borders to be defended.

That, I disagree with. Extending a war kills more people, on both sides.

Russia could end it right now, if they wanted to.

I'm still waiting on him from 8+ hours ago to find these posts of me supporting Russia that he is so sure exist

Honestly I was teasing, because I wouldn't be surprised at all to find you'd repeated Russian propaganda ("muh NATO expansion") as part of why you're butthurt about the US supporting Ukraine's defense.

Yes he does though, so unless you want to elaborate on some novel theory as to why you're just wrong and annoying

Because he doesn't have a right to interview Putin. He has no rights in Russia. He is being allowed to, out of all the other journalists who have tried. Think of the implications of that.

 

[Rocinante]

You are just aggressively doing everything you can to miss the point.


Wanting Ukraine to defeat Russia is not mutually exclusive from wanting our own borders to be defended.


Russia could end it right now, if they wanted to.


Honestly I was teasing, because I wouldn't be surprised at all to find you'd repeated Russian propaganda ("muh NATO expansion") as part of why you're butthurt about the US supporting Ukraine's defense.

Because he doesn't have a right to interview Putin. He has no rights in Russia. He is being allowed to, out of all the other journalists who have tried. Think of the implications of that.

You're talking about what rights people have in Russia.

I'm talking about what rights an American has.

It seems we are talking past each other.

I am talking about Tucker's rights as an American. It doesn't matter if the controversial figure is a foreigner. It doesn't matter if their country is an authoritarian fascist shithole. I'm talking about American rights. You said Tucker doesn't have a right to interview Putin. I am saying Tucker has the right to interview anyone who is willing to sit down with him. Laws and rights in Russia DON'T MATTER. Putin is willing to talk with him, and as an American journalist, he is granted the rights by our constitution to conduct the interview.

Russia's laws and lack of rights don't matter - Tucker isn't Russian. He's American.

 

[Poe]

Because he doesn't have a right to interview Putin. He has no rights in Russia. He is being allowed to, out of all the other journalists who have tried. Think of the implications of that.

Ah, another bad faith poster. We're discussing his right to interview him as an american, how that isn't treason, not any Russian rights, but you know that as does everyone else with basic reading comprehension. Literally the most blatantly obvious and idiotic strawman argument I've ever seen on a forum.

You're talking about what rights people have in Russia.

I'm talking about what rights an American has.

It seems we are talking past each other.

I am talking about Tucker's rights as an American. It doesn't matter if the controversial figure is a foreigner. It doesn't matter if their country is an authoritarian fascist shithole. I'm talking about American rights. You said Tucker doesn't have a right to interview Putin. I am saying Tucker has the right to interview anyone who is willing to sit down with him. Laws and rights in Russia DON'T MATTER. Putin is willing to talk with him, and as an American journalist, he is granted the rights by our constitution to conduct the interview.

Russia's laws and lack of rights don't matter - Tucker isn't Russian. He's American.

You aren't talking past each other, that poster is engaging in bad faith debate because they have nothing else to do here.

 

[Abhorsen]

You aren't talking past each other, that poster is engaging in bad faith debate because they have nothing else to do here.

I doubt it. Captain X is usually good faith.

Why do so many people keep claiming Ukraine can't win?

Because Ukraine requires western support to survive (much less win). And Russia cares more than the West about what happens to Ukraine.

I don't want Ukraine to lose. I just don't also see it as the US' job to back up Ukraine endlessly. If Ukraine was an actual ally beforehand, and not a very corrupt country that doesn't really have freedoms, then I'd want to defend it on principle. But as it is, I care, but not enough to throw endless wads of money at it.

Especially when a chief security concern for the US is the national debt. We simply cannot afford that much debt. Note that this isn't singling out Ukraine here, but a general principle that applies to a ton of places.

 

[Vyor]

I doubt it. Captain X is usually good faith.


Because Ukraine requires western support to survive (much less win). And Russia cares more than the West about what happens to Ukraine.

I don't want Ukraine to lose. I just don't also see it as the US' job to back up Ukraine endlessly. If Ukraine was an actual ally beforehand, and not a very corrupt country that doesn't really have freedoms, then I'd want to defend it on principle. But as it is, I care, but not enough to throw endless wads of money at it.

Especially when a chief security concern for the US is the national debt. We simply cannot afford that much debt. Note that this isn't singling out Ukraine here, but a general principle that applies to a ton of places.

Gonna be honest here... 80% of the "debt" is owed to ourselves.

There is no real security concern there.

 

[King Arts]

Because then he can give that personal info to his handlers; the only question is if they are in Beijing, Moscow, or Tehran.

Still calling accusing people of working for foreign governments with no proof even after you got smacked when you did it with me. Don’t you ever learn?

What if, in exchange for a big, beautiful wall and the return of Trump executive actions in regards to border enforcement and ramping up deportations of invaders, criminals first, the US would still be sending billions to Ukraine but it'd be only in the form of military aid (ie old missiles, artillery ammunition, armored vehicles) that the US was going to scrap or replace with newer vehicles or some such made in America by your favorite military-industrial complex contractors? But not sending Ukraine things like pallets of cash and other financing so they can supposedly pay their postal workers or whatever.

If our leaders in the GOP were not idiotic cucks then sure that would be a good deal. The problem is the dems aren’t t trustworthy and conservatives are dumb. So first get the resources for the border THEN the money for Ukraine.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

This is the part I've still never seen an explanation for.

Why do so many people keep claiming Ukraine can't win?

Look at Ukraine's population pyramid as of today.
Even if they have a radical shift in tactics and equipment and win this war next week, the damage has already been done.
The only solution to that problem would be colossal immigration and monetary inflow (debt) which would make Ukraine not-Ukraine in the same way Britain becoming Britainstan was a tragedy.

 

[Vyor]

Look at Ukraine's population pyramid as of today.
Even if they have a radical shift in tactics and equipment and win this war next week, the damage has already been done.
The only solution to that problem would be colossal immigration and monetary inflow (debt) which would make Ukraine not-Ukraine in the same way Britain becoming Britainstan was a tragedy.

... The war did not affect this at all.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

... The war did not affect this at all.

Oh yeah, all those women fleeing and all those men turning into red mist was all in my imagination.

 

[Vyor]

Oh yeah, all those women fleeing and all those men turning into red mist was all in my imagination.

Mate, what do you think the population number of Ukraine is?

 

[Floridaman]

Also it's like... almost nothing in terms of our actual federal budget? Literal pennies.

Given the US is more than 30 trillion in the hole it should not be spending anything more than the barest of essentials.