If you think you can prove Powell was lying, I will wait patiently here while you go do so.
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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mesonoxian
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The supposed server doesn't actually exist, Dominion isn't Venezuelan, and every review of the votes has shown no signs of any "vote flipping". Despite the big noises Trump and Giuliani have made about fraud, Trump's lawyers have presented nothing, because making false claims in actual court will get you disbarred.
Can you provide proof of this?
Or because they are dotting all their i's and crossing their t's before it gets to SCOTUS, where the big stuff is likely to come out.
I expect there is a lot of evidence they have not presented yet, because it has national security/classified sources/actions aspects they want to only present to SCOTUS.
No, those are claims, not proof.
Proof would be providing evidence that everything in the above paragraph is true, which you didn't actually do.
mesonoxian
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The US Army hasn't carried out any raids in Frankfurt, per an Army spokesman speaking to the AP. The evidence for it a congressman saying he saw a tweet that said it happened. And not confirmation from the Army, the company in question (which also denies it), nor the German government/
Dominion is a Canadian company.
And DHS has said the election was secure. The only places these fraud claims are coming from are Trump.
My apologies, I assumed you would have some familiarity with the news you are discussing. Clearly my mistake.
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That's almost never how appeals work. Appellate courts will usually look askance at someone trying to expand the record on appeal. There are limited exceptions, and they are narrow ones.
mesonoxian
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Sorry, I missed this before.
That isn't how these things work. They made substantially more modest claims in court than Trump has made, they were unable to provide any evidence to support those claims, and they were dismissed with prejudice.
Court cases aren't the sort of thing where you hold back the good stuff for the end. You have to present your evidence when the case is first heard. Failure to do so can get it locked out of later appeals. And the judges haven't just been deciding against them. Multiple judges have commented on the lack of substance the filings showed and have dismissed them with prejudice.
This is all they've got.
Making people take vaccines against a deadly disease is a good thing.
That's some high level of bad faith.
Powell claimed our forces recovered the servers, not specifically the army. So an army spokesperson claiming “Those allegations are false.” in concerns to them participating in an operation in Germany means nothing.
A company's home officer being somewhere means nothing... So not sure why you brought it up...
DHS didn't say shit, that was a statement by the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees.And DHS has said the election was secure. The only places these fraud claims are coming from are Trump.
Dominion Voting Systems - Wikipedia
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And they were wrong.
Because their statement. "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised. "
Was shown to be wrong because reality there were multiple software "glitches" that flipped votes from Biden to Trump that have so far been caught and corrected. And information about those "glitches" has been posted multiple times in this thread.
It was also shown to be wrong with the Georgia election, where they found thousands of uncounted votes.
I am quoting this because it's super ironic given the rest of my post.
Pocky Balboa
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Sidney Powell's partner clarifies
Thank you for clearing that up. Takes a load off my mind.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Cleared up for now or is it?
Basileus_Komnenos
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Honestly I don't know what to think anymore, but she's been making really bold statements without much evidence behind them, so it seems like rhetorical hyperbole to me.
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Because the AP would never, ever lie to anyone.
Actually, I believe, from what I have heard, her claims were that a server was seized in Germany. I don't think she said that it was the military that conducted the raid. I don't think there would be a need to send the army if there are local German agencies that can do it for the US.
"Dominion was the subject of a 2020 hoax, amplified by followers of the far-right QAnon conspiracy theory and later spread by One America News Network, President Donald Trump, and Trump surrogates and supporters. They have alleged that the company’s voting machines were compromised, resulting in millions of votes for Trump being deleted or switched to votes for Joe Biden in the 2020 United States presidential election "
A hoax? Is that what we call accusations of voter fraud now? Well thank God their sources are NBC, AP, and the NYT. Because otherwise, we might have to believe a website that exclusively locks out any dissent from its editors.
Former Head of DHS, I think you mean.
Sorry, I'd assumed you'd brought more to a discussion than your daddy complex. Now why don't you run off home to SB and ask one of your assblasted buddies if any of them want to take their turn taking it up the tailpipe.
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That's.....actually makes this worse for the dems.
People like Sidney do not do pro bono work on some thing this scale unless some fool has done some thing to make it utterly personal.
Pocky Balboa
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Here's a tweet from Lin Wood on the matter, with more clarification
Oh, just do what I do and not worry about it.
If there was voter fraud (and I suspect that there is), then Trump's team is really in the best position to prove it. If there aren't, then chances are there may not of been and we instead focus on putting in laws at the state level to make sure this can never happen again. And regardless of the outcome, Trump proved that he can grow the Republican base. 70 million votes? He's one of the most highly voted candidates in history. There was no Trump collapse. His policies work. They're popular enough to be made into the new platform of the GOP.
And the Democrat elites know it. That's why they're panicking in the House.
mesonoxian
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So you believe the US carried out an operation on foreign soil, and the US Army, the company that was raided, and the
German government are all keeping it hushed up, but one of Trump's lawyers and a tweet Louie Gohmert claimed to have seen are giving you the straight story? Pull the other one.
Gohmert specifically claimed it was the US Army, but neither of them has shown any evidence except a tweet with no provenance.
The statement came from Chris Krebs at the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, which is under DHS oversight. That the systems were secure doesn't mean there were no errors. It means there was manipulation of the system. The two Georgia counties with significant numbers of uncounted votes resulted from those counties elections being run poorly. In one case the person who would normally be supervising had caught covid-19. That isn't a security failure, nor evidence of malice. I mean, I know you are a well known internet legal scholar with a very good history of understanding what you're talking about, but I think I'll give credence to the professionals.
Powell claimed the company was created in Venezuela. That is false. I brought it up because it is evidence she is lying. One of the other companies involved was founded by people from Venezuela in Florida in 2000. But her claim there is a connection to Chavez is baseless.
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