Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

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Wargamer08 said:
Very much not the place for this.
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Seconded. I don’t like the calls for “reeducating” Trump voters or “purging“ them from the Left...it reeks of Bolshevism, American edition.

I equally despise these calls from some here to “cut out”, “purge”, “carve out the cancer”, etc anyone who supposedly doesn’t support the electoral process just because they didn’t back Trump (who has numerous faults and is on top of it all an arrogant egotistic asshole unable to accept criticism) or somehow might be trying to subvert it via wild conspiracy theories thanks to the tinfoil hat-wearing black helicopter crowd.

At the end of the day, let the courts play this out. Take off the damn tinfoil hats, take a breather. Cut it out with the moronic calls to “cut out”, “purge” fill in the blank groups, you might not end up liking the actual result regardless of political affiliation. Obama wasn’t the Second Coming, and neither is Trump.
 
Personally, I say Trump has lost and you guys should prepare for the Great Reset and more lockdowns and try and cause lots of backlash to prevent a Great Reset or continued lockdowns. Centrists and so called classic liberals will do nothing but keep quiet or say they oppose the aformentioned but just allow the left to do what they want so don't anticipate any help from them.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
Well Fuentes in the video is ranting that the GOP don't want to support Trump and just want to return to the old status quo of being useless hence why should they support the GOP. They don't stand up for Trump nor support him which means that they don't cater to the people who are of the right but still demand their votes.

Really, I just posted the video cause people were saying that we have victory cause muh senate and all and that their is sentiment by some who would normally support the GOP but now want them to burn and thus could turn on them.

Anyway, my last post about this.
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Yeah, we don’t have a victory, conservatism lost unless we get a big surprise in the next week or so. And yes, he is right, the GOP elites are going to try to reverse Trumpism and go back to the same old controlled opposition activities. I agree about those things.

The question then, is what do we do about it?Vote for Democrats instead? I don’t think that is a good plan. I don’t think that Groypers or any other supposedly far right fringe taking their ball and going home is going to intimidate the GOP into changing their ways, in fact the party leadership would likely see it as a victory to get those thorns out of their sides.

I’ve said before, I don’t think that the right can win through elections, we have to change the culture on a grass roots level. But if we are active on the national scale, I think we are better off trying to move the GOP to the right, as Trump has shown is possible, rather than leaving and letting the RINOs rule the party.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
Personally, I say Trump has lost and you guys should prepare for the Great Reset and more lockdowns and try and cause lots of backlash to prevent a Great Reset or continued lockdowns. Centrists and so called classic liberals will do nothing but keep quiet or say they oppose the aformentioned but just allow the left to do what they want so don't anticipate any help from them.
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A lot of states already spent their lockdown card.

They try again now, people get to just laugh in their faces and hold up previous court rulings.
 
Wargamer08 said:
Very much not the place for this.
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Considering how the Intelligence Community is complicit in the Democrat's attempt to defraud our voting process, to the point where a CIA agent apparently got killed in a shootout with our military when the latter did that raid in Germany, I think talking about what needs to be done with them is perfectly relevant to this thread.



Tiamat said:
Seconded. I don’t like the calls for “reeducating” Trump voters or “purging“ them from the Left...it reeks of Bolshevism, American edition.

I equally despise these calls from some here to “cut out”, “purge”, “carve out the cancer”, etc anyone who supposedly doesn’t support the electoral process just because they didn’t back Trump (who has numerous faults and is on top of it all an arrogant egotistic asshole unable to accept criticism) or somehow might be trying to subvert it via wild conspiracy theories thanks to the tinfoil hat-wearing black helicopter crowd.

At the end of the day, let the courts play this out. Take off the damn tinfoil hats, take a breather. Cut it out with the moronic calls to “cut out”, “purge” fill in the blank groups, you might not end up liking the actual result regardless of political affiliation. Obama wasn’t the Second Coming, and neither is Trump.
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What a perfect example of false equivalence, thank you for that. I'm not just saying this because of who the Intelligence Community do and don't support; I'm saying this because they've been acting like enemy combatants for decades, and they are a threat to everything Americans hold dear. Again; they got into a firefight with and killed members of our own military, trying to protect the secrets of a company who was involved in manipulating our election results. You can bury your head in the sand if you like; I'm going to take the threat they pose to the people I care about seriously.
 
Terthna said:
Considering how the Intelligence Community is complicit in the Democrat's attempt to defraud our voting process, to the point where a CIA agent apparently got killed in a shootout with our military when the latter did that raid in Germany, I think talking about what needs to be done with them is perfectly relevant to this thread.



What a perfect example of false equivalence, thank you for that. I'm not just saying this because of who the Intelligence Community do and don't support; I'm saying this because they've been acting like enemy combatants for decades, and they are a threat to everything Americans hold dear. Again; they got into a firefight with and killed members of our own military, trying to protect the secrets of a company who was involved in manipulating our election results. You can bury your head in the sand if you like; I'm going to take the threat they pose to the people I care about seriously.
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I want to see evidence of this supposed firefight and of them rigging the election before buying this bill of goods. Remember the Left went off half cocked on a phony dossier trying to implicate Trump...are we now to go off half cocked on internet conspiracies against individuals or organizations just because they don’t like Trump who clearly is not the God Emperor as much as some would like him to be? Remember, I voted for him too, though I personally detest the man.

You and some others here, as I said need to tap the damn brakes and chill out with these calls to purge “x” and “y” and calling them threats to the Republic because you are veering exactly into the same damn territory some of the Communist wannabes on the Left are.

Edit: I think fraud is entirely possible, but that again is something for the courts to decide. Let the legal teams present their case and let it play out, that’s their job. You want the Republic to survive? Let the courts do their job. I am not going to scream and leap off the proverbial cliff and say the Republic is over if Trump loses. He had four years, he did some good things, he can start his own media network, etc. Start focusing on 2022 and 2024, unless you want to watch the Republic burn to the ground as some on both the right and the left seem to be advocating.
 
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Tiamat said:
I want to see evidence of this supposed firefight and of them rigging the election before buying this bill of goods. Remember the Left went off half cocked on a phony dossier trying to implicate Trump...are we now to go off half cocked on internet conspiracies against individuals or organizations just because they don’t like Trump who clearly is not the God Emperor as much as some would like him to be? Remember, I voted for him too, though I personally detest the man.

You and some others here, as I said need to tap the damn brakes and chill out with these calls to purge “x” and “y” and calling them threats to the Republic because you are veering exactly into the same damn territory some of the Communist wannabes on the Left are.

Edit: I think fraud is entirely possible, but that again is something for the courts to decide. Let the legal teams present their case and let it play out, that’s their job. You want the Republic to survive? Let the courts do their job. I am not going to scream and leap off the proverbial cliff and say the Republic is over if Trump loses. He had four years, he did some good things, he can start his own media network, etc. Start focusing on 2022 and 2024, unless you want to watch the Republic burn to the ground as some on both the right and the left seem to be advocating.
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You're acting as if this is a recent development for me. Trust me; I've felt this way about the Intelligence Community for decades.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
Personally, I say Trump has lost and you guys should prepare for the Great Reset
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A: What part of Court Cases are slow affairs does the further right not understand? Wait until that judgement is passed. Everything else is hearsay until then.

B: How many times? The Great Reset is a movement not a scheme. Stop blowing it out of proportion and blackpilling yourself and others in the process.
 
Tiamat said:
I want to see evidence of this supposed firefight and of them rigging the election before buying this bill of goods. Remember the Left went off half cocked on a phony dossier trying to implicate Trump...are we now to go off half cocked on internet conspiracies against individuals or organizations just because they don’t like Trump who clearly is not the God Emperor as much as some would like him to be? Remember, I voted for him too, though I personally detest the man.

You and some others here, as I said need to tap the damn brakes and chill out with these calls to purge “x” and “y” and calling them threats to the Republic because you are veering exactly into the same damn territory some of the Communist wannabes on the Left are.

Edit: I think fraud is entirely possible, but that again is something for the courts to decide. Let the legal teams present their case and let it play out, that’s their job. You want the Republic to survive? Let the courts do their job. I am not going to scream and leap off the proverbial cliff and say the Republic is over if Trump loses. He had four years, he did some good things, he can start his own media network, etc. Start focusing on 2022 and 2024, unless you want to watch the Republic burn to the ground as some on both the right and the left seem to be advocating.
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I've seen enough evidence. I think most of us have.

This was a fraudulent election.

I can say that and be pretty damned sure about it.

The problem is that courts have to rely on more than "pretty sure." The parties must be PROVEN guilty. That evidence needs to be rock solid and there can't be any disputes over it in a case that's this high profile


So the question here isn't "did the democrats commit fraud?" It's "can we prove, at the level of a court's standard of evidence, that the election was fraudulently won?"

That's a good question that remains to be see....still, the fraud happened. If you can't see that, you've been either not paying attention, or have bought the left wing propaganda.

We have seen too many irregularities that cannot be brushed aside, and they have ALL benefited Biden. The fraud is real. It's a question of whether they get away with it, not with whether it happened or not.
 
Rocinante said:
I've seen enough evidence. I think most of us have.

This was a fraudulent election.

I can say that and be pretty damned sure about it.

The problem is that courts have to rely on more than "pretty sure." The parties must be PROVEN guilty. That evidence needs to be rock solid and there can't be any disputes over it in a case that's this high profile


So the question here isn't "did the democrats commit fraud?" It's "can we prove, at the level of a court's standard of evidence, that the election was fraudulently won?"

That's a good question that remains to be see....still, the fraud happened. If you can't see that, you've been either not paying attention, or have bought the left wing propaganda.

We have seen too many irregularities that cannot be brushed aside, and they have ALL benefited Biden. The fraud is real. It's a question of whether they get away with it, not with whether it happened or not.
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I saw plenty enough to smell bullshit.
 
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