Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

[Chiron]

So you admit you're literally making things up... Got it...


They don't need to change the situation, they just need to wait for the Russian troops to run out of supplies and fuel while picking off everything they can.

Because simple fact, the current loss rates are literally not sustainable for Russia for the months, let alone years, they are going to need to be sitting on Ukraine.

Or you can simply backtrack several pages where it was already discussed.

As for your hoped for attrition strategy, sorry but the math doesn't support your notion. Nor does the Operational Reality on the ground.



And the critical period is developing on Donbas-Kharkiv Front.

 

[PsihoKekec]

And what kind of aircraft will NATO provide? Poland and Hungary already refused to hand over their MiG-29s. Will USA provide the Ukrainians with F-16 jets, for which Ukraine has no trained pilots and ground crew?

 

[Sailor.X]

Please please give them Superhornets and Eagles.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Ukraine is stating the plane shot over Kharkov recently was a Su-25. No wreckage yet.

And what kind of aircraft will NATO provide? Poland and Hungary already refused to hand over their MiG-29s. Will USA provide the Ukrainians with F-16 jets, for which Ukraine has no trained pilots and ground crew?

The working idea IIRC is giving Poland F16's to replace the Mig29s they're potentially going to give Ukraine. But this is just authorization. Not a deal.

 

[Arlos]

Ukrainian pilot can only fly ex-URSS jets, so what the US proposed was to have ex-USRR countries send theirs old stuff to ukraine and buy american stuff in exchange.
As far as I am aware, said countries said no, dunno if they changed their minds.

 

[Marduk]

I'm just wondering what safe airports they have left west of Lviv.

Having jets is good, but without somewhere to park, refuel, and rearm them, that isn't going to get plastered by Kaliburs, is kinda important to using said jets effectively.

Those are cold war era interceptors we are talking about. They are made to be operable even when airports are being carpet nuked. A shitty airstrip, or even a piece of straight road will do.

And what kind of aircraft will NATO provide? Poland and Hungary already refused to hand over their MiG-29s. Will USA provide the Ukrainians with F-16 jets, for which Ukraine has no trained pilots and ground crew?

Fake news, it is still being discussed. It won't be as quick as expected though, because they have to be made interoperable with UAF rather than NATO, and can't risk having NATO IFF and comm gear get captured.

 

[Zachowon]

I'm just wondering what safe airports they have left west of Lviv.

Having jets is good, but without somewhere to park, refuel, and rearm them, that isn't going to get plastered by Kaliburs, is kinda important to using said jets effectively.

Probably land anywhere kinda thing

All I'm going to say is that I'm glad I live close enough to likely targets in a Russian nuclear strike on the US that I won't have to deal with the aftermath. Hope you neocon warmongers are happy with yourselves and have real big epeens right about now, I'm looking at you, Zach.

I am not a Neocon. I am a warmonger though.
I am just happy I fucking called it

Ukrainian pilot can only fly ex-URSS jets, so what the US proposed was to have ex-USRR countries send theirs old stuff to ukraine and buy american stuff in exchange.
As far as I am aware, said countries said no, dunno if they changed their minds.

Changing out systems in the MIGs before they go.

 

[Chiron]

When a large amount of people in the military have been calling this for a while n9w, yall didn't believe. Now I am the villain

You wanted this war, instigated it by crossing Putin's red lines, and then didn't have the guts to go pay the consequences for it.

Lord Sunhawk is perfectly in his rights to call you out for it.







Zs duct taped over the UkA markings.



If that is meant to be literal, then the Ukrainians are basically besieging themselves then.

Well time for a catchy tune comrades:

 

[Bacle]

 

[Chiron]

Scale of destruction in Kharkiv, plus the large number of UkA troops shows just how hopeless the situation is for UkA defenders. If they stay in the city, they will be trapped, if they try to retreat, Donbass Front will be lost. They lack the means to generate a strong enough attack to affect an operational retreat in good order.



Ohtyrka's situation. Its fall will open the way to an advance on Poltava, even if Sumy continues to hold out.

A loss of three to one is actually not all that surprising. That's probably to be expected when invading a foreign power of similar capabilities. Those javelins and stingers we gave Ukraine have even a great deal of the playing field. Were it not for those, this probably would have been over by now. That doesn't however, change the strategic math; Russia is clearly winning. The most Kiev can do is forestall and make the Russians (and thus the Ukrainians) bleed for every mile.

And as I said in a prior post, in the grand operational scheme, once the encirclements conclude, Ukrainian Losses will be total and far in excess of Russian Losses.

At the end of the day Russia has a completely different way of war developed from the experiences of fighting peer competitors and designed to ensure they can rapidly gain operational surprise, encirclements, and reduce their opponents to ineffective local counter-attacks while going for the kill. Trying to wait for overwhelming force and perfection prolongs the fighting and gets more folks killed.



Likely a pinning attack.

 

[Zachowon]

Scale of destruction in Kharkiv, plus the large number of UkA troops shows just how hopeless the situation is for UkA defenders. If they stay in the city, they will be trapped, if they try to retreat, Donbass Front will be lost. They lack the means to generate a strong enough attack to affect an operational retreat in good order.



Ohtyrka's situation. Its fall will open the way to an advance on Poltava, even if Sumy continues to hold out.



And as I said in a prior post, in the grand operational scheme, once the encirclements conclude, Ukrainian Losses will be total and far in excess of Russian Losses.

At the end of the day Russia has a completely different way of war developed from the experiences of fighting peer competitors and designed to ensure they can rapidly gain operational surprise, encirclements, and reduce their opponents to ineffective local counter-attacks while going for the kill. Trying to wait for overwhelming force and perfection prolongs the fighting and gets more folks killed.



Likely a pinning attack.

So they should just let the Russians take thier country?
Like the Poles should have let the Germans? The Fins should have let the Soviets?

 

[Agent23]

High double digit inflation ahead, thank you, you lovely, financially illiterate neocucks and Eurobureaucratards!

 

[Chiron]

Interesting. Kherson Base housed a Brigade and its clear said Brigade just disintegrated once the main HQ Blocks were hit.

 

[LTR]

Almost eighty posts pruned from the Thread, almost half of them since my last Threadmark. A few commentary posts which again, will now go into the Donb Ass thread as well as conversational drift about Neon, NCO's and some huge tangents about the Responsibility for the War and people derailing discussion to talk about sourcing accuracy and people bringing up things like Libya and Inflation and the like, which while related, isn't directly part of the purpose of this thread which is information about the Russian Invasion of the Ukraine. So it's all been Donb Bass'd.

If you got your own Commentary/Analysis, especially repetitive commentary that you've posted several times in the thread already, it'll get shunted off to the Donb Ass thread most likely. As well as open ended speculation on accuracy of sources. Spending/Wasting time speculating on the accuracy of this or that derails from the discussion of the Invasion itself. If you have evidence or substantiation to disprove or otherwise cast doubt on something, then post it. Otherwise save the Psy-Ops and Counter Psy-Ops takes for the Donb Ass thread and judge the evidence for yourselves to take it or leave it. Same with discussion of Responsibility for the War. We've had a huge thread on it already right here in this forum. If you wanna hash it out, we now basically have two threads with discussions on it thanks to all of the crude unguided pruning I've done in this thread, irregardless of innocent bystander posts.

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[Carrot of Truth]

Looks like the Russians have began resorting to flattening cities with artillery.

 

[Floridaman]

Looks like the Russians have began resorting to flattening cities with artillery.

That isn’t really a resorting to, that is the standard doctrine. It is just until now the Russians weren’t using it for some reason. Probably they didnt want civilian casualties

 

[Zachowon]

That isn’t really a resorting to, that is the standard doctrine. It is just until now the Russians weren’t using it for some reason. Probably they didnt want civilian casualties

They wanted the populace to welcome them.
They are no longer caring

 

[Floridaman]

They wanted the populace to welcome them.
They are no longer caring

I mean historically they never cared, see the brutality of cechnya and that was also something they considered Russian.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean historically they never cared, see the brutality of cechnya and that was also something they considered Russian.

Yeah. But they wanted to have the 40m population to welcome them
The population diffrence is huge

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Looks like the Russians have began resorting to flattening cities with artillery.

That isn’t really a resorting to, that is the standard doctrine. It is just until now the Russians weren’t using it for some reason. Probably they didnt want civilian casualties

Soldiers hiding inside schools might have done that.