DarthOne
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True, but the devil is in the details. As most people would be against the Cybermen.
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Given what they do is worse than Borg assimilation, I'm not surprised.
At least when you're assimilated by the Borg there is always a chance of being returned to your prior self, the scars, implants, and mental trauma aside. You're an instrument of the Collective with no consciousness or individual thoughts, but you can be freed/restored most of the time.
A Cyber-Conversion? Your very personality is corrupted. They could take out your brain and place it in another meat sack body, and you'd still think like a Cyberman (this happened in Torchwood: a partially-converted woman stole the body of a pizza delivery girl called Annie because her own half-cyberized body was dying. She still wanted to "upgrade" people and herself despite being fully organic/human again).
One of the only worse fates would be to be aboard a ship infected by the Beast.
KilroywasNOTHere
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I'll raise your cyberman and say that everybody is in trouble when Ultron enters the arena.
DarthOne
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Ehhh. Considering some of the bullshit tier stuff running around in Doctor Who, I’d say it’s pretty good odds that the Cybermen-at least the advanced ones- have some pretty damn good firewalls/anti-virus. It’s just that the Doctor knows ways around them.
If we're talking Cyber Wars-era cybermen under the control of the Cyberiad, or late War/post-War cybermen with the Cyberium, Ultron wouldn't even be a speedbump -- the various human empires, including one that spanned multiple galaxies, threw shit like Ultron at the cybermen all the time at the height of the Cyber Wars.
They typically only worked once before they adapted and became immune (leading to the "upgrade. in. progress" meme).
Worse still, since Ultron is an artificial intelligence, albeit a partially Eldritch one, there's a good chance that the cybermen would just lobotomize and subvert him -- yes, they are that disgustingly OP.
The only things worse than the Cybermen at that stage in their history are the Daleks and the Time Lords at their own respective heights -- they were basically throwing reality-altering weapons at each other, doing all sorts of shit with weaponized timelines on a micro to macro scale... anything you can think of, they used them and used them in amounts like party poppers at a continent-wide American 4th of July party.
Hell, the Daleks even had their own "Thanos Snap" in the form of a Reality Bomb, except that one only required a few planets, no Infinity Stones, and it crossed all parallel dimensions and timelines.
Oh, and other reality-warping/dimension-hopping species on their levels got the fuck out of dodge when the Last Great Time War kicked off (the Eternals fled our reality screaming apparently, and given they were supposed to be energy beings like the Q but without the finger-snapping thing... yeah).
Doctor Who has some horrifically OP things running around, haha.
KilroywasNOTHere
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and these guys laugh about how ridiculous superhero comics are?
I know, right?
Even though the last five years have basically killed the show/ruined the canon, everything before that had stuff that made DC's and Marvel's stuff look tame.They even integrated Lovecraft's pantheon as ordinary beings that existed in the last universe/their universe, survived its death and our universe's birth, and made their way into ours as god-like beings (with the implication that if we survive and enter the next universe after ours, those beings would be the same there).
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Star Wars Has a Bizarre Explanation for Wookiees Who Can Speak ‘English’
So Wookies that can speak English can do so as a result of...a speech impediment?
OK I'm not anything like a master writer and I can think of two better explanations right off the top of my head.
1. a cybernetic implant that works as an equivalent of the universal translator
2. nearly all wookies can speak basic but most refuse to. I think people forget how incredibly racist and distrusting of other species wookies are because the main wookie everyone knows and sees is "Big Floofy Chewie Doggie" the truth is Chewie is to a wookie what a jedi is to a human, very much the exception and not the norm and to be honest they have thier reasons for being so distrustful of outsders as they are second only to the Twi'leks in how often they are enslaved by more organized groups.
Wookies don't speak basic simply because most don't respect or trust foreigners enough to communicate with them on thier level especially considering that most don't leave the planet enough to interact with other species outside of those that force themselves upon Kashyyyk (How many of of hot blooded Americans would go out of our way to learn mandarin just to appease some corporate CEO from China?)
and even in Chewie's case the humans he was friends with learned to understand what he was saying so he really had no reason to not to just speak his native tongue.
So Wookies that can speak English can do so as a result of...a speech impediment?
OK I'm not anything like a master writer and I can think of two better explanations right off the top of my head.
1. a cybernetic implant that works as an equivalent of the universal translator
2. nearly all wookies can speak basic but most refuse to. I think people forget how incredibly racist and distrusting of other species wookies are because the main wookie everyone knows and sees is "Big Floofy Chewie Doggie" the truth is Chewie is to a wookie what a jedi is to a human, very much the exception and not the norm and to be honest they have thier reasons for being so distrustful of outsders as they are second only to the Twi'leks in how often they are enslaved by more organized groups.
Wookies don't speak basic simply because most don't respect or trust foreigners enough to communicate with them on thier level especially considering that most don't leave the planet enough to interact with other species outside of those that force themselves upon Kashyyyk (How many of of hot blooded Americans would go out of our way to learn mandarin just to appease some corporate CEO from China?)
and even in Chewie's case the humans he was friends with learned to understand what he was saying so he really had no reason to not to just speak his native tongue.
History Learner
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The Legacy of the Force was good though? Honestly I'm lucky to have come up just in time to catch the tailwinds of the EU before Disney started removing it. The Clone Wars era EU is also just so much better and deeper.
Huh. I totally forgot that explanation. I can't remember what I thought before but it was a long time since I read Heir to the Empire and I do recall Wookiees who spoke Basic. I guess I assumed that Chewbacca wasn't able to speak it for whatever reason or chose not to.
Least now I know... in case I ever need that knowledge for a fanfic or something I guess lol.
Bigking321
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As I recall there was one specific Wookie. Had a rare trait where their throat was capable of more range than the normal roars and grunts. Made them very useful for diplomatic stuff.
I can't recall if a basic talking wookie was ever brought up again.
Skallagrim
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No. It's not good. Objectively speaking, it's just a bad story with poor and inconsistent characterisation, no respect for established world-building, and oodles of wanking when it comes to the pet obsessions of the authors (particularly Traviss and Denning). A fairly good review that goes into some of the issues in a very clear, dispassionate manner can be read here. (There are a lot of other things wrong with the series, too, though.)
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Jaenera Targaryen
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Just discovered this...good for a laugh, though I doubt the left-wing mob in Hollywood would agree
Mind you, it's telling that it takes Japanese theater exaggerating the plot and theatrics to make the sequel trilogy semi-enjoyable
Mind you, it's telling that it takes Japanese theater exaggerating the plot and theatrics to make the sequel trilogy semi-enjoyable
Blasterbot
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you know it is much more tolerable when I only have to sit through a half an hour of this.
the dance/fight in Snoke's throne room is much better choreographed here.
they also completely cut out Rose Tico. huge improvement.
the dance/fight in Snoke's throne room is much better choreographed here.
they also completely cut out Rose Tico. huge improvement.
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