Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

[Rocinante]

I see some of you guys are coming around to acceptance. Trump lost. Thats what happened whether its via fraud or legitimate, he lost. Things are going to get worse and are unlikely to get better no matter what nonsense people like @Reap the Whirlwind say, the corporate and worthless GOP fellator that he is.

I've been saying it for a while, but got tired of being told I'm a doomer/demoralized, so I stopped posting about it for a bit.

 

[Arlos]

Last week, we were told news would start arriving this week, have some patience. It took a long time to sort out 2000, and it was nowhere near the mess this is.
You guys can start getting demoralized if you don’t get anything this week.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I've been saying it for a while, but got tired of being told I'm a doomer/demoralized, so I stopped posting about it for a bit.

Just don't say it all the time. Invictus does and can't help himself but moan and how despaired he is hence the title of Dooomer.

 

[PeliusAnar]

Last week, we were told news would start arriving this week, have some patience. It took a long time to sort out 2000, and it was nowhere near the mess this is.
You guys can start getting demoralized if you don’t get anything this week.

I agree with this. I expect serious legal arguments to be filed this week all the way up until next Monday. So everyone needs to calm down. Almost all the lawsuits that have been slapped down have not been from the Trump campaign but from third parties. Trumps legal team is making sure they get everything perfectly correct, like anally correct, so there is no wiggle room. I would rather they take an extra week to make sure it is done properly then rushing things and getting slapped down by the courts. Have faith.

 

[Cherico]

Civil war requires people willing to commit violence and will to do it. The Left have that. People that oppose them? Not so much.

I think we are 30 years away from the civil war, people will look for all peaceful ways of handling problems and disputes before they go with the violent ones, so expect more deplatforming, and other such fuckery for another 30....years.

and then expect the civil war era to be a violent blood bath.

So yeah....gonna suck.

 

[Jormungandr]

Civil war requires people willing to commit violence and will to do it. The Left have that. People that oppose them? Not so much.

Except that the largest militia group in the US, and its associates, have outright stated that they'll never accept Biden as President. That's... really not a good sign to how things are going. People who support Trump or who are Right-aligned aren't just going to lay down and take this like the Left/Democrats believe they will/should.

Frankly, if Biden succeeds at stealing the Election, you're going to have a lot of the Left's hysterical paranoia becoming reality. I'd say we'll see a civil war of some sort occurring within the next year or so. And, given that Lefties typically focus more on domestic terrorism tactics? It's not going to end well for them.

Trying to brick someone around the back of the head when they're not looking, or trying to mob individual people is all dandy when you're the mob, isn't going to end well when they pull out a gun and start shooting them point-blank.

Conversely, if Trump does become re-elected, you're going to have the Leftards' "peaceful protests" kick up a notch to the point where they can't be ignored or covered for by the Democrats (who may also become targets themselves: the cat's paw turning on its master -- ironic) and MSM, and that'll end in violence as people who are Right-aligned push back, just to protect their families.

It's getting to the point where I'm wondering if actual violence against Leftards en masse is going to be needed. I don't think BLM or AntiFa are going to be openly "peacefully protesting" all that much if there's a very real threat that a group with guns is going to turn up and threaten them at best, just indiscriminately shoot them at worst.

Hell, law and order is already breaking down in some areas, with the people who are supposed to be backing law enforcement actively sabotaging them in favour of anarchists and racist, communist insurgents!

So, yeah. LARP'er thugs versus armed and willing militiamen.

It's not going to be pretty, no matter who wins.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Except that the largest militia group in the US, and its associates, have outright stated that they'll never accept Biden as President. That's... really not a good sign to how things are going. People who support Trump or who are Right-aligned aren't just going to lay down and take this like the Left/Democrats believe they will/should.

Frankly, if Biden succeeds at stealing the Election, you're going to have a lot of the Left's hysterical paranoia becoming reality. I'd say we'll see a civil war of some sort occurring within the next year or so. And, given that Lefties typically focus more on domestic terrorism tactics? It's not going to end well for them.

Trying to brick someone around the back of the head when they're not looking, or trying to mob individual people is all dandy when you're the mob, isn't going to end well when they pull out a gun and start shooting them point-blank.

Conversely, if Trump does become re-elected, you're going to have the Leftards' "peaceful protests" kick up a notch to the point where they can't be ignored or covered for by the Democrats (who may also become targets themselves: the cat's paw turning on its master -- ironic) and MSM, and that'll end in violence as people who are Right-aligned push back, just to protect their families.

It's getting to the point where I'm wondering if actual violence against Leftards en masse is going to be needed. I don't think BLM or AntiFa are going to be openly "peacefully protesting" all that much if there's a very real threat that a group with guns is going to turn up and threaten them at best, just indiscriminately shoot them at worst.

Hell, law and order is already breaking down in some areas, with the people who are supposed to be backing law enforcement actively sabotaging them in favour of anarchists and racist, communist insurgents!

So, yeah. LARP'er thugs versus armed and willing militiamen.

It's not going to be pretty, no matter who wins.

I will believe this when it happens.

For far too long all I have seen of the right is talk of muh guns but very little action.

 

[Jormungandr]

I will believe this when it happens.

For far too long all I have seen of the right is talk of muh guns but very little action.

Because, surprise surprise, people who are Right-aligned typically try to take the moral high-road, unlike what we've seen of those who are Left-aligned in recent history. They're not willing to immediately riot, throw tantrums like children on not getting their way, or employ violence as a first action.

Unfortunately, when your opposition is trying to actively mine that pass they're travelling on, it's getting to the point where Right-aligned people are waking up to the fact that, yes, people on the Left are dishonest and untrustworthy.

No point in turning the other cheek when said cheek gets slapped again, and again, and again. And this Election has just started waking them up to this fact. The high-road is no longer a viable route, and they're a lot better at travelling the low-road than the Leftards are, if push comes to shove. And it's coming to that.

 

[LordsFire]

I will believe this when it happens.

For far too long all I have seen of the right is talk of muh guns but very little action.

Yeah, because when you cross that line there is no going back.

Part of the hallmark of the cultural right, is understanding the value of self-discipline and restraint. The reason the left becomes violent first and more frequently, is because they glorify the adult version of temper-tantrums.

Part of the price you pay for having actual principles, is letting those with little or no principles make a lot more heat and noise than you do, up until a certain point.

There is some legitimate concern that the right will react too late to do anything, but that's a concern, not a foregone conclusion.

It's part of why 'trying to outlaw gun ownership' is seen by so many as one of the definitive red lines, and is referenced as such. So long as private gun ownership is largely intact, the decision can still be made to use force to resist.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Because, surprise surprise, people who are Right-aligned typically try to take the moral high-road, unlike what we've seen of those who are Left-aligned in recent history. They're not willing to immediately riot, throw tantrums like children on not getting their way, or employ violence as a first action.

Unfortunately, when your opposition is trying to actively mine that pass they're travelling on, it's getting to the point where Right-aligned people are waking up to the fact that, yes, people on the Left are dishonest and untrustworthy.

No point in turning the other cheek when said cheek gets slapped again, and again, and again. And this Election has just started waking them up to this fact. The high-road is no longer a viable route, and they're a lot better at travelling the low-road than the Leftards are, if push comes to shove. And it's coming to that.

Yeah, because when you cross that line there is no going back.

Part of the hallmark of the cultural right, is understanding the value of self-discipline and restraint. The reason the left becomes violent first and more frequently, is because they glorify the adult version of temper-tantrums.

Part of the price you pay for having actual principles, is letting those with little or no principles make a lot more heat and noise than you do, up until a certain point.

There is some legitimate concern that the right will react too late to do anything, but that's a concern, not a foregone conclusion.

It's part of why 'trying to outlaw gun ownership' is seen by so many as one of the definitive red lines, and is referenced as such. So long as private gun ownership is largely intact, the decision can still be made to use force to resist.

As I said, I will believe it when I see it.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

We're looking at some pretty serious civil unrest, regardless of who wins. Although I personally find that bit about militias refusing to acknowledge Biden a more chilling prospect than BLM or Anti-fa throwing their dolls out of the pram.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

unbelievable. The election hasn't even been officially called and already we are reverting back . Guys at most trump was only going to have another 4 years. were we waiting for him to to be crowned king of Gondor? Are we actually going to play the game of politics and finance or are we just going to go straight to the Night of blood style revolution and devolve into who knows what?

 

[Deleted member 88]

You know, one thing I’d appreciate is if more Trump supporters just admitted they want trump to be an autocrat. There is actually nothing wrong with it.

“We don’t want a president in our hearts, we want a king”.

That’s not an immoral sentiment to have.

It’s just embarrassing in our democracy worshipping society to admit.

People throughout history have cried out for kings, or autocratic rulers.

Heck in the Bible, the Israelites want a king, not a judge.

Often times an autocrat is more in touch with the people’s spirit, what their hearts want than any elected leader.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Yeah, because when you cross that line there is no going back.

Part of the hallmark of the cultural right, is understanding the value of self-discipline and restraint. The reason the left becomes violent first and more frequently, is because they glorify the adult version of temper-tantrums.

Part of the price you pay for having actual principles, is letting those with little or no principles make a lot more heat and noise than you do, up until a certain point.

There is some legitimate concern that the right will react too late to do anything, but that's a concern, not a foregone conclusion.

It's part of why 'trying to outlaw gun ownership' is seen by so many as one of the definitive red lines, and is referenced as such. So long as private gun ownership is largely intact, the decision can still be made to use force to resist.

I think your giving people too much credit it's not that they have principles, it's that complaining about the rules of the game is far easier than playing it or changing it. Part of the reason why I'm so bloody against a revolutin in the first place is I'm not convinced any good will come of it. If we won't even TRY to make this system work who's to say we will make any system work and it won't be used by a bunch of leaches.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

You know, one thing I’d appreciate is if more Trump supporters just admitted they want trump to be an autocrat. There is actually nothing wrong with it.

“We don’t want a president in our hearts, we want a king”.

That’s not an immoral sentiment to have.

It’s just embarrassing in our democracy worshipping society to admit.

People throughout history have cried out for kings, or autocratic rulers.

Heck in the Bible, the Israelites want a king, not a judge.

Often times an autocrat is more in touch with the people’s spirit, what their hearts want than any elected leader.

congratulations if the supposed Great Reset happens you'll get your wish. Something tells me you won't like it though.

 

[Deleted member 88]

“Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?“ Friedrich Engels


“Revolution is not a dinner party.” Mao Zedong


This is what revolution is. It’s a serious business.

The question is, do you have the will to carry through out to the end, and what do you plan on replacing the system with?

I would guess most people can not answer one or both of these questions in the affirmative or adequately.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Heck in the Bible, the Israelites want a king, not a judge.

you do remember that God REBUKED them as REBELS for demanding such a thing right?

When Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as Israel’s leaders.[a] 2 The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abijah, and they served at Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not follow his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice.


4 So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, “You are old, and your sons do not follow your ways; now appoint a king to lead[b] us, such as all the other nations have.”


6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”


10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”


19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.”


21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord. 22 The Lord answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”

 

[Jormungandr]

unbelievable. The election hasn't even been officially called and already we are reverting back . Guys at most trump was only going to have another 4 years. were we waiting for him to to be crowned king of Gondor? Are we actually going to play the game of politics and finance or are we just going to go straight to the Night of blood style revolution and devolve into who knows what?

It's the very real implied consequences of Biden/a Democratic Presidency that have people worried.

Let's face it: if Biden wins because of their trickery and get away with said trickery, the Democrats are going to use every ounce of power they have, legal or otherwise, ethically or not, to not lose power again and/or to culturally and forcibly reshape America to their "ideal" society.

And, frankly, their "ideal society", outside of the obvious communist elements, is fucking terrifying to anyone with more than half a brain.

See, unlike the delusional hysteria the Left had on Trump's initial election in '16, our concerns have basis in reality.

 

[Deleted member 88]

you do remember that God REBUKED them as REBELS for demanding such a thing right?

When Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as Israel’s leaders.[a] 2 The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abijah, and they served at Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not follow his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice.


4 So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, “You are old, and your sons do not follow your ways; now appoint a king to lead[b] us, such as all the other nations have.”


6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”


10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”


19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.”


21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord. 22 The Lord answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”

Yes, I’ve read the story.

As I said, I will believe it when I see it.

As we’ve said, we understand how serious revolution actually is. And what it really entails.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

You know, one thing I’d appreciate is if more Trump supporters just admitted they want trump to be an autocrat. There is actually nothing wrong with it.

“We don’t want a president in our hearts, we want a king”.

That’s not an immoral sentiment to have.

It’s just embarrassing in our democracy worshipping society to admit.

People throughout history have cried out for kings, or autocratic rulers.

Heck in the Bible, the Israelites want a king, not a judge.

Often times an autocrat is more in touch with the people’s spirit, what their hearts want than any elected leader.

Lol, Trump as king? Meh, he doesn't have the style points for that at all. Trump is not much of strong ruler I say.

I'm not bummed out if Trump loses one way or another. I was just commenting that others seem to be.

As we’ve said, we understand how serious revolution actually is. And what it really entails.

Which means that you guys are unlikely to do much and just accept what the left will do. Thats my default opinion on whats going to happen. The Right has yet to prove me wrong on this opinion. Hence why I say that I will believe it when I see it. All other talk is just talk.