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Bacle

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It's not even that - we can see this in the fact that the further-out wing of the Left has openly listed a set of quite normative middle-class values which are very necessary for any kind of civilised society as being "whiteness" and hence nebulously Bad. What it boils down to with those folks, as clear as day, is not even a paternalistic racism but what the USSR and CPUSA started doing in the 30s - the advancement of the implementation of communism under the guise of anti-racism.
Yep.

@Xilizhra, an avowed socialist, even admitted on this forum that they are using identity politics as a means to an end for their socialist goals.

This is why socialists of any stripe should be seen enemies of the world, not simply of any one nation.
 

The Phule

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Capitalism (which essentially is a posh word we've given to an evolved form of bartering) attempts to harness that for productive purposes.
Actually there's signs that the contra-positive is actually the truth. Bartering is a devolved form of capitalism. In human societies that have not been exposed to money, bartering doesn't really take place to the extend that it does in societies that have been exposed to money but have a shortage of it.


But various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

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When barter has appeared, it wasn’t as part of a purely barter economy, and money didn’t emerge from it—rather, it emerged from money. After Rome fell, for instance, Europeans used barter as a substitute for the Roman currency people had gotten used to. “In most of the cases we know about, [barter] takes place between people who are familiar with the use of money, but for one reason or another, don’t have a lot of it around,” explains David Graeber, an anthropology professor at the London School of Economics.

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Communities of Iroquois Native Americans, for instance, stockpiled their goods in longhouses. Female councils then allocated the goods, explains Graeber. Other indigenous communities relied on “gift economies,” which went something like this: If you were a baker who needed meat, you didn’t offer your bagels for the butcher’s steaks. Instead, you got your wife to hint to the butcher’s wife that you two were low on iron, and she’d say something like “Oh really? Have a hamburger, we’ve got plenty!” Down the line, the butcher might want a birthday cake, or help moving to a new apartment, and you’d help him out.

On paper, this sounds a bit like delayed barter, but it bears some significant differences. For one thing, it’s much more efficient than Smith’s idea of a barter system, since it doesn’t depend on each person simultaneously having what the other wants. It’s also not tit for tat: No one ever assigns a specific value to the meat or cake or house-building labor, meaning debts can’t be transferred.


And, in a gift economy, exchange isn’t impersonal. If you’re trading with someone you care about, you’ll “inevitably also care about her enough to take her individual needs, desires, and situation into account,” argues Graeber. “Even if you do swap one thing for another, you are likely to frame the matter as a gift.”

Trade did occur in non-monetary societies, but not among fellow villagers. Instead, it was used almost exclusively with strangers, or even enemies, where it was often accompanied by complex rituals involving trade, dance, feasting, mock fighting, or sex—and sometimes all of them intertwined. Take the indigenous Gunwinggu people of Australia, as observed by the anthropologist Ronald Berndt in the 1940s:

Men from the visiting group sit quietly while women of the opposite moiety come over and give them cloth, hit them, and invite them to copulate. They take any liberty they choose with the men, amid amusement and applause, while the singing and dancing continue. Women try to undo the men’s loin coverings or touch their penises, and to drag them from the “ring place” for coitus. The men go with their … partners, with a show of reluctance to copulate in the bushes away from the fires which light up the dancers. They may give the women tobacco or beads. When the women return, they give part of this tobacco to their own husbands.
So it’s a little more complicated than just trading a piece of cloth for a handful of tobacco.

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Part of the difficulty in imagining a pre-money world lies in the fact that currency has been around for so long. The first Indian money appeared during the sixth century B.C. and consisted of silver bars. The world’s first coins appeared in Lydia (modern day Syria) around the same time.
Basically, money is the most efficient and effective system, and barter is a shitty attempt to mimic it, but it's not a precursor to it.

And, frankly, I don't think living in a 'gift' society would be pleasant, especially with women needing to fuck men for 'presents' that they then share with their men. That's fucked up, and not, IMHO, a good way to live.

Cato has a counter-point article that, importantly, doesn't actually refute The Atlantic's assertions that barter as we think of it, wasn't really a thing, but does refute the Atlantic's frankly idiotic assertion that this gift economy is somehow better than a cold hard cash economy... The advantage of money is that people know exactly where you stand, and it's impersonal, which is a good protection for people who would normally be tribal outcasts.

It's also harder to game by being 'sympathetic' or tricky.

 
Actually there's signs that the contra-positive is actually the truth. Bartering is a devolved form of capitalism. In human societies that have not been exposed to money, bartering doesn't really take place to the extend that it does in societies that have been exposed to money but have a shortage of it.



Basically, money is the most efficient and effective system, and barter is a shitty attempt to mimic it, but it's not a precursor to it.

And, frankly, I don't think living in a 'gift' society would be pleasant, especially with women needing to fuck men for 'presents' that they then share with their men. That's fucked up, and not, IMHO, a good way to live.

Cato has a counter-point article that, importantly, doesn't actually refute The Atlantic's assertions that barter as we think of it, wasn't really a thing, but does refute the Atlantic's frankly idiotic assertion that this gift economy is somehow better than a cold hard cash economy... The advantage of money is that people know exactly where you stand, and it's impersonal, which is a good protection for people who would normally be tribal outcasts.

It's also harder to game by being 'sympathetic' or tricky.


so in short, balkinization is slicing your face to spite your nose.
 

Archmagnus

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This is turning out like a story by Tom Clancy.
Every time you hear something like that, or someone saying "iT's jUsT a CoNsPiRaCy tHeOrY", please keep in mind is that agencies like the CIA deal with, plot and enact conspiracies as part of their daily fucking jobs.

Also that 'conspiracy', at its basic level, is just two people coming together and agreeing to do shady shit.
 

Bacle

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That man saw the future
Please, a Tom Clancy story is less absurd and has more logical consistency. I am pretty sure we are living in a crossover between a Camus novel and Tom Clancy.
Nah, we're in a Tom Clancy/South Park crossover fic.

Though Covid and everything related to it has made me remember the novel version of 'Rainbow Six', and not for pleasant reasons.

We just need to pray Trump is able to win in the courts/legislatures/legit recounts.

Because if Biden steals this election, we're going into 1984/Brave New World-style territory and fast.
 

PeliusAnar

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Fact, Trump has the election by the balls now in a steel grip and is squeezing slowly. Just when I think, 'Oh the Democrats could not have been that stupid.' they go and prove me wrong.

The fact that the server raid was legit is huge. Also the fact that it is Sidney Powell confirming this instead of Trump is also a huge point in Trump's favor. I looked into this lady's record and she is very solid in terms of her record. You know she is legit by how much hate she gets on her Wikipedia page as well. She is not the type of person to go out on a limb with nothing to back her up.

Then you have all the Republicans shutting up and waiting. Sure you get people like Romney, but they are a huge exception. All the other Republicans know what is up, which is why they are not saying anything or supporting Trump. They know he is going to win.

The fact Trump has not spoken for a long time and the number of tweets has gone way down. This means people he respects told him to STFU so he doesn't wreck any court cases they are getting ready. If Trump was speaking more about the election, I would have a lot less confidence in him winning the thing. It seems counter intuitive, but Trump is a showman and for this they need legal arguments, not media hype.

Come December, there are going to be a lot of crying Democrats when SCOTUS bitch slaps the election process in these swing states. Heck, Trump's legal team is looking at Virginia and New Mexico now as well. With everything that has come out and is still coming out and what Trump's legal team has been saying, it appears Trump is on the path to win the election. When this does happen, then the Democrat party is in for some rough times.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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@PeliusAnar I can only hope that you are right, though when you put it like that it does fit me with hope. To follow up on what I mentioned a few posts above, I feel like life is like a Camus novel these days. But probably been that way the whole time. I guess the best thing I can do is have hope, and take the absurd parts of life as the absurdities they are and have a laugh at them. Enjoy what is good, forebear the bad, and laugh at the comical.
 

Bacle

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Fact, Trump has the election by the balls now in a steel grip and is squeezing slowly. Just when I think, 'Oh the Democrats could not have been that stupid.' they go and prove me wrong.

The fact that the server raid was legit is huge. Also the fact that it is Sidney Powell confirming this instead of Trump is also a huge point in Trump's favor. I looked into this lady's record and she is very solid in terms of her record. You know she is legit by how much hate she gets on her Wikipedia page as well. She is not the type of person to go out on a limb with nothing to back her up.

Then you have all the Republicans shutting up and waiting. Sure you get people like Romney, but they are a huge exception. All the other Republicans know what is up, which is why they are not saying anything or supporting Trump. They know he is going to win.

The fact Trump has not spoken for a long time and the number of tweets has gone way down. This means people he respects told him to STFU so he doesn't wreck any court cases they are getting ready. If Trump was speaking more about the election, I would have a lot less confidence in him winning the thing. It seems counter intuitive, but Trump is a showman and for this they need legal arguments, not media hype.

Come December, there are going to be a lot of crying Democrats when SCOTUS bitch slaps the election process in these swing states. Heck, Trump's legal team is looking at Virginia and New Mexico now as well. With everything that has come out and is still coming out and what Trump's legal team has been saying, it appears Trump is on the path to win the election. When this does happen, then the Democrat party is in for some rough times.
Trump right now seems more concerned with things like lowering drug prices and getting the Covid vaccines out, while letting the legal team and campaign deal with the nuts and bolts of the case.

Though I expect the raid in Germany may have been taking up some of his time as well.

Also, I think that Trump isn't so much tweeting LESS, than is making the tweets more focused and direct. He's often quoting, or pasting video, from others who are doing the election fraud analysis, instead of tweeting things himself.
 

Zachowon

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Trump right now seems more concerned with things like lowering drug prices and getting the Covid vaccines out, while letting the legal team and campaign deal with the nuts and bolts of the case.

Though I expect the raid in Germany may have been taking up some of his time as well.

Also, I think that Trump isn't so much tweeting LESS, than is making the tweets more focused and direct. He's often quoting, or pasting video, from others who are doing the election fraud analysis, instead of tweeting things himself.
Deja vue...I have seen this post before.

But yeah you have a point
 

PeliusAnar

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@PeliusAnar I can only hope that you are right, though when you put it like that it does fit me with hope. To follow up on what I mentioned a few posts above, I feel like life is like a Camus novel these days. But probably been that way the whole time. I guess the best thing I can do is have hope, and take the absurd parts of life as the absurdities they are and have a laugh at them. Enjoy what is good, forebear the bad, and laugh at the comical.
Like Guliani said, they are getting all their legal ducks in a row and judges don't like things given out to the public before hand. Again they even made Trump STFU, which is how seriously they are taking these legal cases. You have to imagine what it takes to get Trump to STFU. Everyone can agree he likes to speak and hear himself speak, if you disagree with this then.... well, meh on you.

They know they have this. That is why they are not taking any chances. When all this goes up to SCOTUS they want nothing procedural anyone can object on. They don't want Trump to open his mouth and say something that will ruin the case. If they were just trying to ruin things for Biden, Trump would be hyping things up, pushing things out himself. Instead we get the opposite.

The more I see how Trump's legal team and all the others near them are acting, it is clear they know they have this. It is now just a matter of time to get everything perfect. The claims/legal cases are going to be nuclear and you don't want a single mistake. I guarantee, that anything that is going to be filed is triple checked before hand. Not by the interns, but by the heavy weights. When, not if, when Trump wins, it is going to explosive and not having any loose threads for the media and the Democrats to latch onto is important.

The only thing to do is wait and smile in glee with what we now know is going to happen.

Trump right now seems more concerned with things like lowering drug prices and getting the Covid vaccines out, while letting the legal team and campaign deal with the nuts and bolts of the case.

Though I expect the raid in Germany may have been taking up some of his time as well.

Also, I think that Trump isn't so much tweeting LESS, than is making the tweets more focused and direct. He's often quoting, or pasting video, from others who are doing the election fraud analysis, instead of tweeting things himself.
He is just retweeting, but Trump himself has STFU. This is a legal strategy so he doesn't go off the rails and accidentally ruin things.
 

Bacle

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He is just retweeting, but Trump himself has STFU. This is a legal strategy so he doesn't go off the rails and accidentally ruin things.
He's still tweeting himself, a bit, though only on things where it is already in the news/public.

So he is keeping mum about things he legal team want him to keep mum about.

Edit: This is his latest non-retweet post:
 

Zachowon

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So no one seemed to be clarifying if the raid is true anywhere. I dont work till Tuesday if we don't get any other stronger clarification i will check for myself to reassure my self.
 

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