Terthna
Professional Lurker
Hmm, there was somebody that could have stopped this if y 'all just would have helped him I wonder who that was..
They don't actually want to stop it mind you; they're just controlled opposition.
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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They don't actually want to stop it mind you; they're just controlled opposition.
The American right is not crippled. What is happening is a massive reorganization. Whether it'll be under the banner of the GOP or this new 'Patriot Party'. Time will tell. But from all indications Trump may be adopting the strategy Nigel Farrage did when he created the Brexit party. He took a ton of votes and supports away from the Conservatives which forced them to essentially bend the knee and toe the line for Brexit. Once they did Farrage reconnected with the Conservatives and managed to push through Brexit.
Right now the Conservative right has two main targets going forward. Big Tech, and the Rino/Never Trumpers. Purge them from the party and replace them with Nationalist populists. And already Liz Cheney already has someone about to Primary her...if she makes it that far. Her electorate is furious with her and looking to remove her with all due haste. And she's just the first. Mitch McConnell, Dan Crenshaw and a few others who either condemned the President or pushed for Impeachment.
The second target is Big Tech, or rather removing Conservative money from their hands. I saw a video from Dan Bongino on this in which he highlighted the steps needed to break from Big Tech for good. Most of this has already been done surprisingly aside from one or two steps. In the video below Dan Bongino goes into it.
I will say this. Guys, stop talking about the election being stolen. Do I think it was? Oh hell yes. Do I think it matters? Nope. Not anymore. So now that means dismantling the big Tech so that the Democrats can not leverage that unprecedented advantage again. Because Big Tech most certainly did interfere in the election. And Given Twitters latest screw up concerning Child Pornography. And given the law suits against Twitter and Facebook, they're probably not long for this world, or at least their massive reach certainly isn't.
Twitter refused to remove child porn because it didn’t ‘violate policies’: lawsuit
Twitter refused to take down widely shared pornographic images and videos of a teenage sex trafficking victim because an investigation “didn’t find a violation” of the company’s “policies,” a scath…
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So overall the plan is fairly simple and straight forward. Break big techs strangle hold on the new public platform of digital space. Invest in new Free Speech alternatives. Either primary Never Trumper and RINOs in the GOP and remove them from the party and replace them with those who are Conservative/Populists who are more in line with the Agenda that got Trump elected. From there other options open up to us, but its clear that no one wants to go back to the old Neo-Conservative, spineless GOP that kept loosing and selling us out. Those days are done, but that element still remains in the party. It has to be removed or reduced enough where they can't effect policy going forward.
Doomsought
Well-known member
No, that is how they get to do it again. We need to raise a stink every day until election reform is on the party platform. We need to lock down the voter registration list. We need to have statutes that instruct the judges that a fraudulent ballot is a harm and the way to fix it is to remove ballots. We had warning 2 years ago when they tested their current methods of vote rigging, we ignored them then. We can't now. We need to implement a strategy to preempt another steel.
This means we need to petition state senators. We need to send them truck loads of letters and call their phones 24/7 until we have laws passed.
You think I'm happy about it? I'm not. All its going to do is piss people off and make them complain again and again in black pill doomerism. Hard pass on that. Biden and the Dems stole the election. I firmly believe it. But does that change anything? Nope. Unless someone has a magic wand they can wave to change anything? anyone? Nope.
All is not lost. There are still ways to fight this and ways forward. And I've just outlined a few of them.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
The American right is not crippled. What is happening is a massive reorganization. Whether it'll be under the banner of the GOP or this new 'Patriot Party'. Time will tell. But from all indications Trump may be adopting the strategy Nigel Farrage did when he created the Brexit party. He took a ton of votes and supports away from the Conservatives which forced them to essentially bend the knee and toe the line for Brexit. Once they did Farrage reconnected with the Conservatives and managed to push through Brexit.
Right now the Conservative right has two main targets going forward. Big Tech, and the Rino/Never Trumpers. Purge them from the party and replace them with Nationalist populists. And already Liz Cheney already has someone about to Primary her...if she makes it that far. Her electorate is furious with her and looking to remove her with all due haste. And she's just the first. Mitch McConnell, Dan Crenshaw and a few others who either condemned the President or pushed for Impeachment.
The second target is Big Tech, or rather removing Conservative money from their hands. I saw a video from Dan Bongino on this in which he highlighted the steps needed to break from Big Tech for good. Most of this has already been done surprisingly aside from one or two steps. In the video below Dan Bongino goes into it.
I will say this. Guys, stop talking about the election being stolen. Do I think it was? Oh hell yes. Do I think it matters? Nope. Not anymore. So now that means dismantling the big Tech so that the Democrats can not leverage that unprecedented advantage again. Because Big Tech most certainly did interfere in the election. And Given Twitters latest screw up concerning Child Pornography. And given the law suits against Twitter and Facebook, they're probably not long for this world, or at least their massive reach certainly isn't.
Twitter refused to remove child porn because it didn’t ‘violate policies’: lawsuit
Twitter refused to take down widely shared pornographic images and videos of a teenage sex trafficking victim because an investigation “didn’t find a violation” of the company’s “policies,” a scath…
So overall the plan is fairly simple and straight forward. Break big techs strangle hold on the new public platform of digital space. Invest in new Free Speech alternatives. Either primary Never Trumper and RINOs in the GOP and remove them from the party and replace them with those who are Conservative/Populists who are more in line with the Agenda that got Trump elected. From there other options open up to us, but its clear that no one wants to go back to the old Neo-Conservative, spineless GOP that kept loosing and selling us out. Those days are done, but that element still remains in the party. It has to be removed or reduced enough where they can't effect policy going forward.
I'm sorry, but the right had four years to convince me they were capable of accomplishing anything against the establishment, and they failed spectacularly. What you describe sounds like the ramblings of a fool who doesn't know he's already lost. You will not succeed at dismantling Big Tech, nor will you manage to oust the RINOs; they will oust you (they mostly already have, from what I can see), and you will eventually arrive where I'm at, having lost all hope in a peaceful solution.
ReeeFallin
The Yankee Candle
This literally has zero standing.Likely won't accomplish much but at least someone is trying to do something.
Doomsought
Well-known member
If you don't create defenses against their weapons and tactics, it is. I repeat, we had warning from every tactic they used to steal the election during the 2018 elections in Arizona. Ignoring it did not improve moral, it just allowed them to escalate the use of proven tactics.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Something needs to be done about Dominion before we start talking about voting people out.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Unless you've got a magic wand that keeps the establishment from stacking the deck in their favor, you won't change anything by trying to work within the system they control.
They actually accomplished quite a bit. But in seems to pale in comparison compared to what they failed to do. Look, I get it, things are bad and seem hopeless but crying about it isn't going to help. Get active in local politics. Aside from that, I don't want to hear black pill doomerism.
...What do you think I just outlined? The first steps towards neutralizing those weapons and thus ensuring free and fair elections.
I think they're either under several lawsuits or there is something with Sidney Powell. One thing local governments need to do is draft legislation to ensure they never get used again. But thats just off the top of my head. Anyone know whats going on with this?
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Then I suggest you add me to your ignore list, because that's all you're going to get from me. It's over; we lost. Deal with it. Your vote no longer matters; which mean you no longer have a say. None of us do.
Yes actually. Its called a pissed off Republican base looking to punish the establishment sellouts. When Dan Crenshaw, arguably one of the most popular Republicans and considered a rising star in the party is getting heated feedback on his facebook, twitter and other social media and there is talk of primarying him...that's bad. Crenshaw was loved by nearly everyone in the party despite stances many disagreed with. So things are happening, but I get they're not happening fast enough for you.
Nah. I don't really use Ignore. But its clear we're not going to come to any kind of understanding on the issue. So, I'll just wish you well and engage you on other subjects aside from politic.
I would argue that Farange's split strategy is massively more viable in the loose coalitions of the British parliamentary system as opposed to the two-party establishment equilibrium of the American system.
And I would agree with your assessment. The thing is, Trump, whether you like him or not, has been a 'first' for many things. It may not be as viable here in the States as it is in Britain, but it is doable. He may very well be the first in a hundred years to either break and reforge the Republican party or just break it and make a new one (Patriot Party). This happened before with the fall of the Whig party and the rise of the Republicans all those years ago.
Doomsought
Well-known member
We won't be able to unseat Rinos at the primary without a platform, and election reform is something we need on the platform. Even democrat voters think the election stinks to high hell. It is something that everyone can agree on and a banner that we can rally under, just as long as people don't say it is a problem that can't be fixed.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
For what it's worth, I want to be wrong about all this; and who knows, maybe I am. I'm open to the possibility. Right now though, I just keep focusing on how I dismissed the "black pill doomers" during the election, under the assumption that the Democrats could never get away with cheating on this scale. Now they have, and there is nothing I can see stopping them from doing so again.
I am angry, depressed, and apathetic all at once; it is not a pleasant thing to experience. I don't begrudge you for holding onto hope; I just believe it's a false hope that will hurt more in the long run. Again though; maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. We'll just have to wait and see.
The establishment is crippled, it knows it, and it is lashing out in its last throes before it becomes more irrelevant, and this is a case where it's grasping for power just makes it flow out faster.
All of the institutional power is being democratized. Hollywood's celebrity is being replaced by instagram models, and it's cultural pull being attacked from all sides, by streaming services as well as from youtubers.
The news is being democratized, as the former MSM is now less and less important as people get their news from a youtuber or a dedicated website that believes in what they do.
Patreon and SubscribeStar have also democratized art, finally allowing Capitalism to fulfill the promise that every college commie says that socialism will give: Turns out it's capitalism that provides the Utopia where people can quit their job and become an artist.
Big Tech platforms are going to fall next. They won't be made bankrupt or go out of business (same with all the other examples I gave), just become less relevant, like Facebook has become. And the harder they try to grip, the quicker the flight from the platforms becomes. Twitch is already hitting Youtube's numbers a fair amount, as are streaming services. Alt-tech is covering the edgier stuff, like politics not left of center, etc.
Politics itself will be, as always, the last bastion of the establishment, as politics is well downstream of culture, but it too will change. Will the establishment necessarily be gone? Not necessarily, because they will have the time to see how to change their opinions to fit in (look at all the old democrats and gay marriage to see how quickly people fell in line after it was legal, for example), but change they will.
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Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
This turtle face bastard.. I swear to god...
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Back to complaining about what the Democrats are doing like nothing ever happened. What a politician.
Prince Ire
Section XIII
Yeah, McConnel is a good politician; that is why McConnel is still in office and Trump isn't. Because Trump was a bad politician incapable of either scaling back his outbursts enough to win over suburban whites and failed miserably at pushing through the vast majority of the platform he ran on.