If the Good Russians/Ivans (I'll term them Ivans to differentiate from the vatniks who support Putin) want to fuck up Putin's election with actual combat forces in Russia under the Free Russian Legion and co, more power to them.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022
- Thread starter killerofa23
- Start date
Shit, if the Russian are set to try to take out another dam on the Dnipro, that is going to be serious problem.
Blowing the first dam seriously hindered Ukraine's summer offensive in 2023, and diverted a lot of resources to handle the aftermath of it.
If this one goes, it's going to make things even worse.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
I remember Ryan MacBeth making what seemed like a very compelling case to me about the other one (that it was doomed by Russian incompetence in poor maintenance and operation); for this one, are Russian fires really inaccurate enough to hit the dam center mass like that if they were trying to hit something else?
That raises the question whether some of their civilian targets hit in Ukraine were intentional ones, or they're just that damn incompetent and those areas were just (unfortunately and horrifically) collateral damage.
Like, you try to shoot a target with your arrow but you and/or the bow are in such poor condition/trained that it veers off course and impales some poor kid buying an ice cream the next street over.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Early in the war, I remember a lot of speculation about civilian targets being hit that might have been legitimate targets in 1985. Or across the street from same. And for the whole war Russian artillery seems to be just as happy targeting a city block as a specific building. And on top of that they often target the wrong city block. But when one of the city blocks is a lake? On balance, I'm betting on Russian evil rather than Russian incompetence, but I'm aware that betting against Russian incompetence is never, never a sure bet.
Storm Shadow Missile strike allegedly sunk the last two Ropucha-class landing ships in the Black Seas Fleet. Rest in Peace Yamal and Azov. Other targets were struck as well including a communications tower and two Su-27 Jets struck on the ground.
Another oil refinery struck by Ukrainian drones reportedly, in the Samara region of Russia.
Russia struck electrical substations and other infrastructure in Kharkiv, leaving roughly half of the city without power atm. Heating was also impacted.
Seems to be part of a larger campaign from both sides in targeting the others infrastructure including the Russian strikes on the Dnipro Hydroelectric Plant but also included Russian strikes on civilian residences.
Russian Attack Reportedly Near Bakhmut resulted in the loss of ten Armored Vehicles including a T-90M.
More Chinese and Indian Refineries are becoming more reluctant in taking Russian oil, fearing Western backed sanctions if they do.
euromaidanpress.com
Another oil refinery struck by Ukrainian drones reportedly, in the Samara region of Russia.
Russia struck electrical substations and other infrastructure in Kharkiv, leaving roughly half of the city without power atm. Heating was also impacted.
Seems to be part of a larger campaign from both sides in targeting the others infrastructure including the Russian strikes on the Dnipro Hydroelectric Plant but also included Russian strikes on civilian residences.
Russian Attack Reportedly Near Bakhmut resulted in the loss of ten Armored Vehicles including a T-90M.
More Chinese and Indian Refineries are becoming more reluctant in taking Russian oil, fearing Western backed sanctions if they do.
Bloomberg: Russian oil exports finally facing real sanctions squeeze - Euromaidan Press
Western sanctions have begun to disrupt Russia's oil exports, with recent developments indicating growing challenges for Moscow's efforts to maintain its crucial energy sales.
euromaidanpress.com
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Correct me if this is wrong but I recall reading that Russian refining capacity was already lackluster compared to Russian oil production, so this is a serious bottleneck Ukraine is chopping away at. A war economy ought to be able to effect quick repairs, as I believe Ukraine has been doing with its electrical grid, but Russia is perhaps too dependent on since-departed foreign expertise.
Bacle posted about it in one of the other fifty thousand Ukraine threads about how Lukoil has been raising gasoline prices in Russia. Back in January there were several reports on the internets of Lukoil suffering gasoline and diesel shortages even due to Ukrainian strikes on their refineries supposedly. And yes, part of the reason was due to damage to Western made components in those refineries apparently.
Where does Belarus get it's gas from?
Patriot Missiles might've intercepted their first true hypersonic cruise missiles in the form of a pair of Zircons targeting Kyiv.
Ukraine using it's recently received GLSDB (Glide Launched Small Diameter Bomb) on Russian targets launched from a HIMARS.
Use of Chinese made Desertcross 1000 ATVs "Golf carts" on the front lines as troops transports by Russian forces.
Updated heavy equipment losses from the Avdiivka Campaign since it's moved Westward.
Ukraine using it's recently received GLSDB (Glide Launched Small Diameter Bomb) on Russian targets launched from a HIMARS.
Use of Chinese made Desertcross 1000 ATVs "Golf carts" on the front lines as troops transports by Russian forces.
Updated heavy equipment losses from the Avdiivka Campaign since it's moved Westward.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
"Glide launched" and "from a HIMARS" leads to some interesting mental imagery.
Russian Intelligence Ship Ivan Kuhrs was apparently seriously damaged in a recent Ukrainian Storm Shadow Cruise Missile or Neptune anti ship missile strike and sporting a hole in the stern area of the vessel and currently docked beside another ship for alleged support.
It is one of only two intelligence ships of it's class and the only one in the Black Seas Fleet.
Another large amphibious warship was also likely damaged in the strike. The Kostyantyn Olshansky which was a Ukrainian landing ships seized by the Russians when they captured all of Crimea back in 2014 and been in Russian control since then.
Turns out all three Bergepanzer 3 Armored Recovery Vehicles sent to Ukraine by Germany and Canada have been reported as destroyed.
Another rarely seen vehicle destroyed in Ukraine, the Ladoga Protected Command Vehicle, designed to move around senior officers even in battlefields and areas laden with radiation such as when they were utilized in the Chernobyl meltdown.
France to send Ukraine 78 Caesar Self Propelled Guns in the near future?
It is one of only two intelligence ships of it's class and the only one in the Black Seas Fleet.
Another large amphibious warship was also likely damaged in the strike. The Kostyantyn Olshansky which was a Ukrainian landing ships seized by the Russians when they captured all of Crimea back in 2014 and been in Russian control since then.
Turns out all three Bergepanzer 3 Armored Recovery Vehicles sent to Ukraine by Germany and Canada have been reported as destroyed.
Another rarely seen vehicle destroyed in Ukraine, the Ladoga Protected Command Vehicle, designed to move around senior officers even in battlefields and areas laden with radiation such as when they were utilized in the Chernobyl meltdown.
France to send Ukraine 78 Caesar Self Propelled Guns in the near future?
Last edited:
Buba
A total creep
Mortar shells are much easier to make than howitzer or cannon shells. (Much) Lower working pressures.
But I suspect that what the gentleman is holding is NOT a mortar shell, but a howitzer shell. Dumb lazy fuck journos and/or machine translation.
One - it does NOT look like one. The shape is wrong, and those bands are IMO too far back, suggestive of being driving and not obduration bands.
Two - in Russian (like in German) mortar (mortira/moerser) can be used for howitzer (retaining oldest meaning of mortar, i.e. a special form of howitzer) . What is commonly called a mortar in other languages is "minethrower" (minamiot). Ukrainian could be same.
But I could be wrong and he actualy is holding a shell for a 12cm or so fancy mortar
But I suspect that what the gentleman is holding is NOT a mortar shell, but a howitzer shell. Dumb lazy fuck journos and/or machine translation.
One - it does NOT look like one. The shape is wrong, and those bands are IMO too far back, suggestive of being driving and not obduration bands.
Two - in Russian (like in German) mortar (mortira/moerser) can be used for howitzer (retaining oldest meaning of mortar, i.e. a special form of howitzer) . What is commonly called a mortar in other languages is "minethrower" (minamiot). Ukrainian could be same.
But I could be wrong and he actualy is holding a shell for a 12cm or so fancy mortar
Last edited:
Another article clears it up with a photo, may well be mortars:Mortar shells are much easier to make than howitzer or cannon shells. (Much) Lower working pressures.
But I suspect that what the gentleman is holding is NOT a mortar shell, but a howitzer shell. Dumb lazy fuck journos and/or machine translation.
One - it does NOT look like one. The shape is wrong, and those bands are IMO too far back, suggestive of being driving and not obduration bands.
Two - in Russian (like in German) mortar (mortira/moerser) can be used for howitzer (retaining oldest meaning of mortar, i.e. a special form of howitzer) . What is commonly called a mortar in other languages is "minethrower" (minamiot). Ukrainian could be same.
But I could be wrong and he actualy is holding a shell for a 12cm or so fancy mortar
Ukraine ramps up spending on homemade weapons to help repel Russia
The effort ramped up sharply over the past year as the U.S. and Europe strained to deliver weapons and other aid to Ukraine.
apnews.com
The bands may be for mounting the main body to the other part. Or not, more likely it's obturation bands. Makes more sense when you compare to a finished 120mm round and realize he's holding the main body upside down:
Last edited: