Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

[JagerIV]

Its almost like putting the mailman in charge of transporting millions of ballots without a chain of custody in a very tense election was not the smartest idea. Go figure.

Kinda my point. What are they shipped them from the closest mailbox or what? How hard is it to have a polling station in a military base? Its is literally filled with sworn government employees. Just have military polling stations or something.

So Sergents have to assign a couple rookies to polling duty instead of cleaning the latrines for a couple days every two years.

I think the problem is foreign deployment. Like, Fort Bragg having a polling station wouldn't be hard, for North Carolina. Just tell them all to suck it up and vote as North Carolinian when their deployed. However, for a base in, say Saudi Arabia, which state does their vote go to?

In ye olden days of mostly regional regirments, you could assign, for example, the 11 NY regiment somewhere in new york, but battalions don't work that way.

Now, the historical historical way this was solved was that the number of people voting was fairly small, the military was tiny, and much of the military rank and file, or at least new ones, weren't eligible to vote anyways, being too young and such (21+ voting age). So, military men not voting, or having complications in doing so, wasn't some huge issue.

So, the military was utterly tiny until the modern era, we didn't have many overseas deployment until the modern era anyways, and until WWI we didn't have all that many people voting anyways.

 

[Deleted member 16]

And yet apparently they get sorted with the same stack as the local mail if they aren't lost in transit. Seriously, how hard is it to just have them counted at the bases? What are they worried the soldiers are going to double vote? You've got fixed locations with fixed numbers all of whom are already sworn in. You've got government records for everyone in the base. How hard would it be to just send the numbers? They worried about the military committing fraud?

... Because they vote for more than presidential elections? They vote based on their home locales. You could have hundreds or thousands of different ballots for different jurisdictions at a single base. That's why it's been absentee balloting via mail for so long, that's why there's special protections to ensure those overseas can vote.

Sure, you can argue about no-excuse absentee balloting. You can argue about whether vote by mail elections are a good idea in general. You can argue about whether changing the rules for this election during the pandemic was a good idea or legal, but vote by mail for those who physically cannot make it to their polling place has been an accepted part of US elections for well over a century.

 

[Zachowon]

Have you guys seen this?


I casually went on thedonald.win and saw everyone there freaking out over this. According to this video, or at least what I'm able to understand from it, there's been allegedly a massive FBI voter fraud sting operation in Houston that implicates the Joe Biden Campaign.

DISCLAIMER:
I can't really verify this as true or not, so take this with a grain of salt.

The higher upside at the FBI must be freaking out there are people who want to do thier job lol

 

[Floridaman]

I think the problem is foreign deployment. Like, Fort Bragg having a polling station wouldn't be hard, for North Carolina. Just tell them all to suck it up and vote as North Carolinian when their deployed. However, for a base in, say Saudi Arabia, which state does their vote go to?

In ye olden days of mostly regional regirments, you could assign, for example, the 11 NY regiment somewhere in new york, but battalions don't work that way.

Now, the historical historical way this was solved was that the number of people voting was fairly small, the military was tiny, and much of the military rank and file, or at least new ones, weren't eligible to vote anyways, being too young and such (21+ voting age). So, military men not voting, or having complications in doing so, wasn't some huge issue.

So, the military was utterly tiny until the modern era, we didn't have many overseas deployment until the modern era anyways, and until WWI we didn't have all that many people voting anyways.

I mean I would argue the solution is to end foreign engagements.

 

[Sailor.X]

Gonna post this here.

 

[Zachowon]

I think the problem is foreign deployment. Like, Fort Bragg having a polling station wouldn't be hard, for North Carolina. Just tell them all to suck it up and vote as North Carolinian when their deployed. However, for a base in, say Saudi Arabia, which state does their vote go to?

In ye olden days of mostly regional regirments, you could assign, for example, the 11 NY regiment somewhere in new york, but battalions don't work that way.

Now, the historical historical way this was solved was that the number of people voting was fairly small, the military was tiny, and much of the military rank and file, or at least new ones, weren't eligible to vote anyways, being too young and such (21+ voting age). So, military men not voting, or having complications in doing so, wasn't some huge issue.

So, the military was utterly tiny until the modern era, we didn't have many overseas deployment until the modern era anyways, and until WWI we didn't have all that many people voting anyways.

I would like to vote for my givenor of thr state i am from not a state I will only be in for a year or two.

I mean I would argue the solution is to end foreign engagements.

We still have over seas bases, and the Navy and Marines still get the right to vote

 

[Abhishekm]

I think the problem is foreign deployment. Like, Fort Bragg having a polling station wouldn't be hard, for North Carolina. Just tell them all to suck it up and vote as North Carolinian when their deployed. However, for a base in, say Saudi Arabia, which state does their vote go to?

In ye olden days of mostly regional regirments, you could assign, for example, the 11 NY regiment somewhere in new york, but battalions don't work that way.

Now, the historical historical way this was solved was that the number of people voting was fairly small, the military was tiny, and much of the military rank and file, or at least new ones, weren't eligible to vote anyways, being too young and such (21+ voting age). So, military men not voting, or having complications in doing so, wasn't some huge issue.

So, the military was utterly tiny until the modern era, we didn't have many overseas deployment until the modern era anyways, and until WWI we didn't have all that many people voting anyways.

What's state do their votes go to now? I mean its not like we dont give them different ballots based on where they are from now. I'm just saying if you do that already why not have them counted in the base or some other center closer? You know instead of having them shipped across the world sorted and handled by who knows how many people and sent to every which way anyway? You want chain of custody? It never leaves the hands of the armed forces until the call. How much more secure can you get?

 

[Floridaman]

I would like to vote for my givenor of thr state i am from not a state I will only be in for a year or two.

We still have over seas bases, and the Navy and Marines still get the right to vote

I tend to agree with Smedley Butlers perspective the military should not be outside US territory except the Navy which can patrol certain trade zones.
As for the vote, no problem you can go with electronic voting on said ships.

 

[Zachowon]

What's state do their votes go to now? I mean its not like we dont give them different ballots based on where they are from now. I'm just saying if you do that already why not have them counted in the base or some other center closer? You know instead of having them shipped across the world sorted and handled by who knows how many people and sent to every which way anyway? You want chain of custody? I never leaves the hands of the armed forces until the call. How much more secure can you get?

Civilians work on US bases, and for instance...Korea, Germany, and all over seas bases have the host nation nationals also working on base.

Huge ability for "Foreign" influence should something happen.

Also, you would have at least 10k ballots and nearly all for doffrent counties in various states? A lot of difficulty

I tend to agree with Smedley Butlers perspective the military should not be outside US territory except the Navy which can patrol certain trade zones.
As for the vote, no problem you can go with electronic voting on said ships.

Disagree personally. We are supporting Korea for obvious reasons and are in Poland to make new friends and help in case China.

We have bases all throughout the pacific for said reason as well.

 

[Deleted member 16]

What's state do their votes go to now? I mean its not like we dont give them different ballots based on where they are from now. I'm just saying if you do that already why not have them counted in the base or some other center closer? You know instead of having them shipped across the world sorted and handled by who knows how many people and sent to every which way anyway? You want chain of custody? I never leaves the hands of the armed forces until the call. How much more secure can you get?

Yes, we do. They vote wherever their legal residence is, the same as any other voter.
This is why there are legal requirements for their local election authority to mail absentee ballots to military voters by a certain date. They vote for and are counted by their home jurisdiction.

 

[Floridaman]

Civilians work on US bases, and for instance...Korea, Germany, and all over seas bases have the host nation nationals also working on base.

Huge ability for "Foreign" influence should something happen.

Also, you would have at least 10k ballots and nearly all for doffrent counties in various states? A lot of difficulty

Disagree personally. We are supporting Korea for obvious reasons and are in Poland to make new friends and help in case China.

We have bases all throughout the pacific for said reason as well.

The pacific includes trade zones and us territories, that will be fine. Korea is nearing a peace treaty, for Poland we should just sell them sufficient arms to protect themselves.

 

[Abhishekm]

... Because they vote for more than presidential elections? They vote based on their home locales. You could have hundreds or thousands of different ballots for different jurisdictions at a single base. That's why it's been absentee balloting via mail for so long, that's why there's special protections to ensure those overseas can vote.

Sure, you can argue about no-excuse absentee balloting. You can argue about whether vote by mail elections are a good idea in general. You can argue about whether changing the rules for this election during the pandemic was a good idea or legal, but vote by mail for those who physically cannot make it to their polling place has been an accepted part of US elections for well over a century.

Yeah when it would take weeks to have the counts sent to every town it effected. But at this point why not just send the results? You want poll watchers? Have the base assign them with approval from the parties. Heck its the military give a live Webcam feed. Its like what the heck you can get real time video of every lawn on the planet but you can't get a secure line to a towns polling station?

 

[JagerIV]

I think foreign deployments not getting to vote would be a fair trade for getting one day in person voting, but the balance of the trade offs of election reforms, or the history of military absentee voting is probably getting on a tangent to the main discussion, a tangent I certainly didn't help.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Who really gives a fuck about the salty leftists though?

We had 4 years of the left trying to impeach him, the media lying about him, and antifa running around throwing fits in the streets.

Fuck 'em. You think they matter, if Trump wins? Let them throw their fits.

It's not a matter of caring what they think. It's a matter of even when taking into account a margin of error for fraud, the country is nearly split 50/50 even before the unusual spikes this election was paratically half and half torn and not near the landslide that the Alt-tech or MSM thought it was going to be regardless of which side wins the other side is big enough to cause an active conflict Civil War or not. We aren't the silent majority we thought we were and we can't afford to keep acting as if we are.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah when it would take weeks to have the counts sent to every town it effected. But at this point why not just send the results? You want poll watchers? Have the base assign them with approval from the parties. Heck its the military give a live Webcam feed. Its like what the heck you can get real time video of every lawn on the planet but you can't get a secure line to a towns polling station?

So thousands of doffrent polling stations...

Yes, we do. They vote wherever their legal residence is, the same as any other voter.
This is why there are legal requirements for their local election authority to mail absentee ballots to military voters by a certain date. They vote for and are counted by their home jurisdiction.

Yep. You still have to request it of course. And to fi that I had to use my social or local ID number

The pacific includes trade zones and us territories, that will be fine. Korea is nearing a peace treaty, for Poland we should just sell them sufficient arms to protect themselves.

Korea is not nearing a peace treaty. Trust me on that. And you can't just sell them arms and hope it works. You have people train them on the arms and train them in general to make sure they are able to do the Job.

I think foreign deployments not getting to vote would be a fair trade for getting one day in person voting, but the balance of the trade offs of election reforms, or the history of military absentee voting is probably getting on a tangent to the main discussion, a tangent I certainly didn't help.

It is a tangent agreed. New thread or we can stop

 

[Abhishekm]

Even if some bases have foreign personel in them too. So just ship them to bases without them. I mean people keep saying current year but what kinda future is voting via USPS? I'm not asking for trash powered flying cars here.

 

[Zachowon]

And yeah some bases have foreign personel in them too. So just ship them to bases without them. I mean people keep saying current year but what kinda future is voting via USPS? I'm not asking for trash powered flying cars here.

So that invovled shipping. The military could do it but have more important matters so they would give it to the USPS...

 

[Floridaman]

It's not a matter of caring what they think. It's a matter of even when taking into account a margin of error for fraud, the country is nearly split 50/50 even before the unusual spikes this election was paratically half and half torn and not near the landslide that the Alt-tech or MSM thought it was going to be regardless of which side wins the other side is big enough to cause an active conflict Civil War or not. We aren't the silent majority we thought we were and we can't afford to keep acting as if we are.

No I outright said the split was roughly even, but yeah no matter what happens the federal government legitimacy is taking a nose dive off a cliff. Food for thought, what can you do when equal parts of the population disagree, and will not accept the other.

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[Bacle]

Follow up on the 'glitches' issue, and it's a doozy:

 

[Abhishekm]

So that invovled shipping. The military could do it but have more important matters so they would give it to the USPS...

And I find that incredibly sad.