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Zachowon said:
It isnt as dull no. People just don't know how to make the best of things and complain nearly all the time if they have to leave a cush base for a not so cush one.
Spartan probably knows how that feels.

I was making a joke Spartan. About how your vote will be counted as it is only 2007!

That won't happen and we know it.
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I am well aware, that most people will refuse any idea except their faction being in complete control. Hence why I am not a member of either side. However, you can’t expect me to avoid voicing the only alternative to madness and destruction.
 
Tyanna of Pentos said:
Yes, I was thinking about CAC enabled voting on NIPRnet.
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That definitely would make it harder for voter fraud. And only allow it on NIPR and not on home computers via CAC reader either. So they have to be in am official DoD building for it.
 
But, as we know, the left is totalitarian. If the lefty universities were, and are, staging protests and pressure campaigns because South African race relations did not live up to American civil rights ideals, and many seem to deeply care, sorta, about the Israeli palistine, being in a different country is no defense against being controlled by these people.

Were dealing with a global ruling class, or at least a wanna be global ruling class. There is no where you can run that they won't follow and insist you learn about your white privilege and abide by globalist rules of property, trade, and culture.

Its fight or die basically. No retreat can be anything more than tactical, because there is no general escape possible.
 
Floridaman said:
I am well aware, that most people will refuse any idea except their faction being in complete control. Hence why I am not a member of either side. However, you can’t expect me to avoid voicing the only alternative to madness and destruction.
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Understandable
 
JagerIV said:
But, as we know, the left is totalitarian. If the lefty universities were, and are, staging protests and pressure campaigns because South African race relations did not live up to American civil rights ideals, and many seem to deeply care, sorta, about the Israeli palistine, being in a different country is no defense against being controlled by these people.

Were dealing with a global ruling class, or at least a wanna be global ruling class. There is no where you can run that they won't follow and insist you learn about your white privilege and abide by globalist rules of property, trade, and culture.

Its fight or die basically. No retreat can be anything more than tactical, because there is no general escape possible.
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To be fair the right also has these impulses, I agree that large amounts of it indeed probably the supermajority comes from the left, but you can’t deny that the desire to control others seems to be inherently part of human nature.
 
JagerIV said:
But, as we know, the left is totalitarian. If the lefty universities were, and are, staging protests and pressure campaigns because South African race relations did not live up to American civil rights ideals, and many seem to deeply care, sorta, about the Israeli palistine, being in a different country is no defense against being controlled by these people.

Were dealing with a global ruling class, or at least a wanna be global ruling class. There is no where you can run that they won't follow and insist you learn about your white privilege and abide by globalist rules of property, trade, and culture.

Its fight or die basically. No retreat can be anything more than tactical, because there is no general escape possible.
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Lol no. Leftists and Liberals allow grooming gangs and protect/make excuses for migrant violence in Europe. They even attack Japan and want Japan to lose its xenophobia so that people can start being imported. Leftists talk a big game about Colonization but this is what they are doing with Europe and Japan.

Never mind that a democrat was found talking about how migrants are needed so that there would be workers for his gardens.
 
So, Pelosi owned voting machines flipping votes

More than 20,000 dead people voting

Cities pause their count, until the rest of the state counts, so they know how many to "find", then counting resumes without GOP observers allowed back in.

These are the big ones so far. Am I missing anything?

This election was outright stolen, and I am highly concerned they're going to get away with it.

The left likes to say "voter fraud on this scale is impossible because it's impossible to hide it."

Well... They might be right that it's impossible to hide. It's not very hidden. Let's just hope this goes somewhere.
 
Floridaman said:
No I outright said the split was roughly even, but yeah no matter what happens the federal government legitimacy is taking a nose dive off a cliff. Food for thought, what can you do when equal parts of the population disagree, and will not accept the other.
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I think they hit the nail on the head with this article, posted a few hours ago. This election may finally spell the end of a United States of America. I'll need to remember this website.
 
Tyanna of Pentos said:
While I would never agree to e-voting in any other circumstance, it might be a viable solution for service-members if it was implemented internally on the DOD intranet.
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You actually can make e-voting relatively secure.

Step 1: Person applies for the ballot and picks a pin.
Step 2: State generates a random private key and uses it in conjunction with their voter registration data and pin to create an encryption key.
Step 3: State mails them the random number.
Step 4: Person logs onto the website and enters their voter registration information along with their pin and the randomly generated code. The website locally runs the encryption algorithm and then establishes an encrypted connection with the voting server. The server provides a randomly generated encryption key which is used to encrypt the ballot and once said key is generated the individual is registered as having voted.
Step 5: The ballot is decrypted when it is time to tabulate the vote.

To suborn that process you would need basically unlimited access to the voting system, and if you have that then you can corrupt any kind of mail in ballot process.

That scheme can't be hacked (you lock out an individual if they fail the verification step say 3 times) and is at least as difficult to defraud as the current system for mail in ballots.
 
Floridaman said:
To be fair the right also has these impulses, I agree that large amounts of it indeed probably the supermajority comes from the left, but you can’t deny that the desire to control others seems to be inherently part of human nature.
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Eh, the particularism of the right I think generally makes them much less prone to totalitarianism, because their ideologies are generally less, well, totalizing. Like, even taking something that might be a relatively totalizing "right wing" ideology, Catholicism. Nominally, the goal of Catholicism is to make everyone catholic. However, Catholicism in practice was, tollerant of various non-catholic things. For example, the Jews were allowed to exist and generally tolerated. The church I'm sure wasn't nice to the Jews, but as far as I'm aware there was never any broad "Convert or Die" policy at the higher levels against the Jews. The closest (regional) example I can think of was when Spain purged the Jews from Spain, but even there the options were "leave, convert, or die" mostly, with those not willing to convert mostly fleeing, and fleeing mostly seeming to have not been hindered.

And, outside the Jews as a fairly significant toleration of Catholicism of something outside the Christian framework, the Catholic church was also obviously tollerant of Christian things outside the Catholic church: the state and Church for example were clearly distinquished from each other, so while the church and the State were both Christian institutions, there was an understanding of a divide between the secular and divine. And on the secular side there was an understanding that having multiple states in christiandom was fine.

So, while a "right wing" Monarch might wish to control some Jews as an exploitable tax source, the desired control is not nearly as all encompasing as a left wing dictator tends to be, and as long as the Jews are useful/don't cause trouble, right wing govs tend to be much more tollerant of people doing their own thing, such as the monarchs allowing the Jewish community to run their own marriage system.
 
Terthna said:
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An America with Two Presidents | Tho Bishop

In the aftermath of Election Day 2020, ballots continue to be counted, states remain undecided, and party lawyers are dreaming about where to invest their upcoming billable hours. One thing we can count on, America’s political institutions are about to face a unique and fascinating challenge to...
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I think they hit the nail on the head with this article, posted a few hours ago. This election may finally spell the end of a United States of America. I'll need to remember this website.
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As a libertarian website they are great, just do remember obviously, they are very much pro free market, being part of the Austrian school.
 
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Emperor Tippy said:
You actually can make e-voting relatively secure.

Step 1: Person applies for the ballot and picks a pin.
Step 2: State generates a random private key and uses it in conjunction with their voter registration data and pin to create an encryption key.
Step 3: State mails them the random number.
Step 4: Person logs onto the website and enters their voter registration information along with their pin and the randomly generated code. The website locally runs the encryption algorithm and then establishes an encrypted connection with the voting server. The server provides a randomly generated encryption key which is used to encrypt the ballot and once said key is generated the individual is registered as having voted.
Step 5: The ballot is decrypted when it is time to tabulate the vote.

To suborn that process you would need basically unlimited access to the voting system, and if you have that then you can corrupt any kind of mail in ballot process.

That scheme can't be hacked (you lock out an individual if they fail the verification step say 3 times) and is at least as difficult to defraud as the current system for mail in ballots.
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I would say still for DoD have it be Intranet focused as it makes it even harder to get into.

Or make it on SIPR net as everyone in the military gets that basic clearance
 
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