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They seem to think that so long as they recite the left’s shibboleths and keep their own supporters demobilized they’ll be allowed to continue writing on their publications and keep their Twitter accounts.

@AnimalNoodles question is, is the left smart enough to realize it needs Conservat InC as controlled opposition?

They still need the Vichy right, so you'll get a new Official Conservative Movement lead by trash like Jennifer Rubin, Rick Wilson and Bill Kristol, and the deplorables will be exorted to return to thier proper role as cannonfodder for the Empire and defenders of Capital.
 
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They still need the Vichy right, do you'll get a new Official Conservative Movement lead by trash like Jennifer Rubin, Rick Wilson and Bill Kristol, and the deplorables will be exorted to return to thier proper role as cannonfodder for the Empire and defenders of Capital.
Rubin and Kristol were more anti trump at times than MSBNC. Do they really think the deplorables will forget that?

Regarding cannon fodder, I do wonder if the Biden administration will get in any major wars beyond drone strikes and state department backed color revolutions.
 
From what I understand, if the courts are still examining fraud allegations by inauguration day, then one of two things will happen. The first is a contingent election, where each state's representatives will have one vote to pick the president from the top two candidates.

The second, if the contingent election isn't working properly, is that the speaker of the house of representatives would become acting president until the mess is sorted out.

Which would most likely be Nancy Pelosi, if she's selected to be the speaker by the democrats again. If for some reason that hasn't been sorted out... I think it goes to the head of the senate.

Once the Electoral College votes the popular vote is no longer relevant. The last chance to stop Biden from taking office is when Congress counts the Electors. Both the House and the Senate have to agree.
 
Faithless electors are I think one of the things that are why its important to keep the fraud in mind and public. Say, the PA courts slap down valid court cases, or simply drag their feet. That for example seems to be partially how JFK stole the 1960 election: they did massive, obvious voter fraud, on the scale of about 100k outright fake votes, not even including all the vote buying shinanigans going on, and it was clear as day, but the recounts and audit of the vote was dragged out and the recount itself was actively worked against too.

But, because they were able to drag out the recounts until something like January/febuary, JFK was at that point already president for 2 months, and the down ballot people who cheated to victory had also taken over the investigation, and the mob investigating the mob found that the mob hadn't done enough to flip the election (that 100k number seems to have been generated by the new fraudulent state administration investigating itself.)

But, the fact that the 1960 election had about 100k in outright fraudulent votes, more or less from 2 counties from my understanding, suggests that a million+ outright fraudulent votes across the about 10-20 suspect counties is not unreasonable or out of line with historical norms, and that the things we've seen are suggestive of such widespread fraud.

As long as it can be pushed through the courts and seen as reasonable, ideally the courts can decide things before the election has to be called, but if they are able to slow walk it, the electors themselves could decide to vote in line with the legitimate vote. So, a couple of electors from PA deciding to vote for Trump rather than rewarding such fraud.

Probably not enough to change things, but if for example we could win 1-3 court cases to defininitively flip the vote to the true outcome, a couple of faithless electors voting for the true outcome, rather than the fraudulent outcome, could be the final safety on an honest system.
 
Rubin and Kristol were more anti trump at times than MSBNC. Do they really think the deplorables will forget that?

Regarding cannon fodder, I do wonder if the Biden administration will get in any major wars beyond drone strikes and state department backed color revolutions.

I expect boots on the ground in Syria, and deliberate provocations against Russia and Iran.
 
If President Trump called for the creation of a New Political Party. All of his supporters would join to the man and woman. It would cause a massive paradigm shift.

Speak for yourself. Trump has good ideas but his administration has zero administrative talent or capability. We would have much firmer checks on illegal immigration for example if they actually knew how to write an executive order. A Trump led third party would just devolve into another Reform Party debacle.

And my parents were Reform Party organisers and supporters, and I was raised campaigning on the streets for Ross Perot as a little kid. It was still admittedly a debacle because it helped Clinton win, even if I still believe in a lot of the principles. The Reform Party had a real attempt at organisation from a real organiser and leader, and it still failed.

So. Trump’s chosen candidate would get elected Governor of Florida a couple of times and maybe a few rural Congressional districts in deep red areas would flip for a few sessions of congress, and then the whole thing would collapse. And in the meantime the dems would run up huge majorities and do whatever they wanted.

Trump is a much less capable leader and man than Ross Perot was. I wish I could merge his talent for crowds and marketing with Perot’s talent for leadership, intelligence, policy and organisation, though. Then you’d have me on a third party.
 
Speak for yourself. Trump has good ideas but his administration has zero administrative talent or capability. We would have much firmer checks on illegal immigration for example if they actually knew how to write an executive order. A Trump led third party would just devolve into another Reform Party debacle.

And my parents were Reform Party organisers and supporters, and I was raised campaigning on the streets for Ross Perot as a little kid. It was still admittedly a debacle because it helped Clinton win, even if I still believe in a lot of the principles. The Reform Party had a real attempt at organisation from a real organiser and leader, and it still failed.

So. Trump’s chosen candidate would get elected Governor of Florida a couple of times and maybe a few rural Congressional districts in deep red areas would flip for a few sessions of congress, and then the whole thing would collapse. And in the meantime the dems would run up huge majorities and do whatever they wanted.

Trump is a much less capable leader and man than Ross Perot was. I wish I could merge his talent for crowds and marketing with Perot’s talent for leadership, intelligence, policy and organisation, though. Then you’d have me on a third party.
It still wouldn’t be enough. The whole system prevents real change at a structural level.
 
Speak for yourself. Trump has good ideas but his administration has zero administrative talent or capability. We would have much firmer checks on illegal immigration for example if they actually knew how to write an executive order. A Trump led third party would just devolve into another Reform Party debacle.

And my parents were Reform Party organisers and supporters, and I was raised campaigning on the streets for Ross Perot as a little kid. It was still admittedly a debacle because it helped Clinton win, even if I still believe in a lot of the principles. The Reform Party had a real attempt at organisation from a real organiser and leader, and it still failed.

So. Trump’s chosen candidate would get elected Governor of Florida a couple of times and maybe a few rural Congressional districts in deep red areas would flip for a few sessions of congress, and then the whole thing would collapse. And in the meantime the dems would run up huge majorities and do whatever they wanted.

Trump is a much less capable leader and man than Ross Perot was. I wish I could merge his talent for crowds and marketing with Perot’s talent for leadership, intelligence, policy and organisation, though. Then you’d have me on a third party.
Kind of hard for executive orders to mean anything if the bureaucrats will not obey regardless.
 
Speak for yourself. Trump has good ideas but his administration has zero administrative talent or capability. We would have much firmer checks on illegal immigration for example if they actually knew how to write an executive order. A Trump led third party would just devolve into another Reform Party debacle.

And my parents were Reform Party organisers and supporters, and I was raised campaigning on the streets for Ross Perot as a little kid. It was still admittedly a debacle because it helped Clinton win, even if I still believe in a lot of the principles. The Reform Party had a real attempt at organisation from a real organiser and leader, and it still failed.

So. Trump’s chosen candidate would get elected Governor of Florida a couple of times and maybe a few rural Congressional districts in deep red areas would flip for a few sessions of congress, and then the whole thing would collapse. And in the meantime the dems would run up huge majorities and do whatever they wanted.

Trump is a much less capable leader and man than Ross Perot was. I wish I could merge his talent for crowds and marketing with Perot’s talent for leadership, intelligence, policy and organisation, though. Then you’d have me on a third party.
Let's face it; Trump was a fluke. It would have been nice to have someone far better in the position he found himself in after the 2016 election; but that's not how the dice rolled, unfortunately. It won't happen again in our lifetimes; the system will correct, and the uniparty will reign supreme for the foreseeable future. Assuming of course that Trump doesn't manage to win through the courts; that's our last hope.
 
Let's face it; Trump was a fluke. It would have been nice to have someone far better in the position he found himself in after the 2016 election; but that's not how the dice rolled, unfortunately. It won't happen again in our lifetimes; the system will correct, and the uniparty will reign supreme for the foreseeable future. Assuming of course that Trump doesn't manage to win through the courts; that's our last hope.
To be honest that is the good news, I didn’t like bush or Obama but I could live with it, it sure as hell beats whatever fresh hell The progs would dump on the world.
 
To be honest that is the good news, I didn’t like bush or Obama but I could live with it, it sure as hell beats whatever fresh hell The progs would dump on the world.
Trust me, it isn't. The past four years have radicalized the uniparty. Bush and Obama was them being fat and lazy; Biden will be them lean and ready to crack down on any sign of resistance.
 

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