Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

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Abhorsen said:
I don't see evidence for massive voter fraud. One of the real tipoffs is that down ballots won. And recounts don't change 10k votes. But honestly, if we got the Senate, all is fine. We nearly have the house as well, and if there is more defection, the GOP will have that too. This is easily enough to stop any radical agenda.
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Assuming the Republicans actually have the spine to do so; they haven't exactly had the best track record, even with Trump hounding them to do their jobs. Also, executive orders are still a thing; which would neatly allow the Democrats to bypass any Republican objections.
 
Random Username said:
It's plausible if you ask yourself where did all those extra ballot papers come from and when in this day and age it's much cheaper to carry out a sub contract to some idiot with no technical knowledge then you could even get ballot papers made with Chinese made printers without the special identification.
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...I'll laugh my ass off if it turns out those ballots have nothing in them to indicate they're genuine (e.g. like on dollar bills).
 
Hm, the big concern is how far the left was able to push things without even having control of the executive branch. The executive has a lot of leway to go after people without a single law being passed. They might not be able to get everything they want written in law, but they can send an awful lot of "dear colleague" letters than can shift things quiet signifigantly, the IRS can be reweaponized, and more concerningly I don't think the democrats are even capable of feeling shame about it. They'll probably cheer at every new scalp.

Communications laws leave a whole lot of leway to pressure censorship. Antifia can be unleased on their enemies without even token resistance.

That's what also makes this time so scary: so much of the political power is wielded outside of the system: the democrat party legitimately has a militant arm thats totally unconstrained by official law. And well, we know how much of a corupt bit of terriblness the FBI can be. Imagine what they can do with an FBI leaking to Antifia! Or FBI working very closely with Google to find something to punish political enemies with.

They have a lot of leavers to lean on to destroy their enemies. If they lean on most of them, I think we probably are in end of the republic teritory. Or at least, end of anything but some flavor of socialism as the acceptable ideology.
 
JagerIV said:
Hm, the big concern is how far the left was able to push things without even having control of the executive branch. The executive has a lot of leway to go after people without a single law being passed. They might not be able to get everything they want written in law, but they can send an awful lot of "dear colleague" letters than can shift things quiet signifigantly, the IRS can be reweaponized, and more concerningly I don't think the democrats are even capable of feeling shame about it. They'll probably cheer at every new scalp.

Communications laws leave a whole lot of leway to pressure censorship. Antifia can be unleased on their enemies without even token resistance.

That's what also makes this time so scary: so much of the political power is wielded outside of the system: the democrat party legitimately has a militant arm thats totally unconstrained by official law. And well, we know how much of a corupt bit of terriblness the FBI can be. Imagine what they can do with an FBI leaking to Antifia! Or FBI working very closely with Google to find something to punish political enemies with.

They have a lot of leavers to lean on to destroy their enemies. If they lean on most of them, I think we probably are in end of the republic teritory. Or at least, end of anything but some flavor of socialism as the acceptable ideology.
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That is what I have been fucking saying for a while now. I said that even if Trump won, it wouldn't matter. Its cause leftists and liberals control nearly all the institutions.

They control Academia in all of its form like experts for example, Media in all of its forms, Corporations in all of their forms and NGOs.

With all of this? Of course they have power. Where the hell do you think all the SJWs ideas came from? The president? No, it comes from Academia with their queer theory and Women studies which all come from Feminism.

As usual conservatives said well "Muh guns". But they won't use said guns. So said guns are useless.
 
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Terthna said:
What happens when nobody's vote matters anymore? What happens when the cheating is so blatant, that the entire process of electing government officials is rendered irrelevant? I think we're about to find out.
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easy nullification makes a come back, regardless of outcome both sides of the electorate will now regard the other winning as illegitimate. If the government itself is illegitimate then logically so are any actions of said government. This election may very well have shattered any idea of the US being governable in the next few decades.
 
Stupid question here, but how will these investigations know what votes are real and what ones are frauds? Also how do we know the Dems haven't already thrown out a ton more Republican votes or similar before observers or what have you arrive?

What I suppose I'm asking here is, I'm not quite sure I understand how much of a difference any of this will make now.
 
Floridaman said:
easy nullification makes a come back, regardless of outcome both sides of the electorate will now regard the other winning as illegitimate. If the government itself is illegitimate then logically so are any actions of said government. This election may very well have shattered any idea of the US being governable in the next few decades.
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That already happened when Trump won four years ago; the Dems refused to accept anything that came from his administration as legitimate. Sanctuary cities and refusing to prosecute regressive leftist rioters being just a few examples of this in action. Now the question becomes; do Republicans have enough of a backbone to stand up for themselves and reciprocate, if Biden manages to cheat himself a win?
 
Terthna said:
That already happened when Trump won four years ago; the Dems refused to accept anything that came from his administration as legitimate. Sanctuary cities and refusing to prosecute regressive leftist rioters being just a few examples of this in action. Now the question becomes; do Republicans have enough of a backbone to stand up for themselves and reciprocate, if Biden manages to cheat himself a win?
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Yes, but when one sides voters ignore it, and the other side hasn’t had a taste of that yet, you get squabbling with the hope things go back to normal, this broke it. Republicans have already created sanctuaries for guns, and ignored the suicidal demands to shut down the economy, this just wakes up the voters.
 
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