Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022

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Arlos said:
I think a lot of the propaganda isn’t his own doing, it’s twitter/foreigners doing their own thing, that’s why it can get pretty strange, might even leave him scratching his head sometimes.
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Well, that's a result of his propaganda, I think. His government has allegedly doctored troop audio in regards to Snake Island, has most probably outright lied about Russian troop losses, and told some real bullshit figure on vehicle loss. And he was probably the origin of the Ghost of Kiev nonsense too. What happened is that Twitter fed into this. And you started getting twitter idiots who buy into this "Pray for Frodo" bullcrap and the romantic underdog mentality that they've begun to jerk off to it.

The people on Twitter might very well end up creating such an unrealistic fantasy of how the scrappy Ukrainians are fighting against the great evil empire that, when this gets back to the Ukrainian public--who see a far less enthusiastic world around them, it may simply pop Zelensky's bubble.
 
Seen some videos of aftermaths of civilians trying to engage Russian troops with molotovs. 30 mm vs head and vs torso is not pretty. They seem to be taken down super fast though, especially compared to videos of dead Russian soldiers.

Chiron said:
Iranian Soldiers are more likely to carry an M-16 or G-3 than an AK though they do prefer the PKM over the M-60
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Iranians don't use M-60 but MG-3. Also the M-16 clones they produce are for the use in external operations where they have to rely on local supply of ammo, the regular soldiers and revolutionary guards never got them.

TheRomanSlayer said:
Then we’d really get Zhirinovsky’s Russian Empire in real time instead of an alternate timeline.
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Well, the original was gloriously horrifying, really don't want to know how the RL version would compare.

Bacle said:
Russia hit the Slovenian consulate.
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They targeted the region administration building, where one office is used by part-time Slovenian consul.
 
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Something I found on Quora which could be of interest:
It’s easy to hate The Big Bad Putin. He’s The Other. He’s the foreign wolf that preys upon the innocent little lamb, the Ukraine, that cuddly little democracy, headed by the lovable former comic, Mr. Penis Piano Player, Zelensky.

Mr. Putin is the King of Dirty Deeds, who threatens the world with nuclear holocaust and violence. So much destruction and death, all to fill the bottomless cup of greed and blood, as dictators and conquerors do.

But sometimes, there is more than meets the eye. Sometimes, if we look too quickly, we miss a thing or two. For the longest time, I had listened to Mr. Putin speak, but I never heard him. I don’t speak Russian. I never watched his face. I always found him to be a black box, almost robot-like. Wooden.

But this speech was an hour long. It was the most important one he has ever delivered. So I read the transcript from the Kremlin website. Then I decided to watch it by looking at his face and reading his body language. For the first time, I saw him speak with great intensity. This was with a passion that was uncharacteristic of him. He was brutally sincere. I listened to him speak of the history of the border with Ukraine. I was already familiar with this, as I am a student of Soviet history. I know very well the stories. And they are difficult ones.

I saw him speak of a history I already knew, but through his eyes, and through the intonation of his voice. I did my own research. He wasn’t wrong that Russia was under direct imperialist threat from the West. I am acquainted with that history. But I hadn’t heard it from Mr. Putin. This is a man who really does want to preserve his country from destruction at the hands of the West. And the West is playing for keeps. The fall of the Soviet Union was almost a genocide. Through the years, I have become friends with Russian people here on Quora. I have read about the pain they suffered after the collapse. And I know the struggles they experience, and the fear, as the U.S. will indeed stop at nothing to push Russia into the sea. I also have experienced Russophobia here on Quora, even though I am not Russian. I felt it. And, in the Western press, it is palpable.

The struggle against the Ukraine is not new. It is a long and painful history for the Russian people, and for the Ukrainians. The war with the kulaks was one of survival. It was the conquest of grain.

Mr. Putin feels the pressure of preserving Russia from being pushed into the sea by NATO expansion. This is no fiction. Since 2014, the right wing coup in the Ukraine changed the equation. The U.S. has been gorging the right wing, corrupt, oligarch-owned government there, with money. As such, Mr. Zelensky feels no compulsion to resolve the diplomatic issues related to the treatment of ethnic Russians in East Ukraine. More important, Mr. Zelensky since 2019 was approached by the Kremlin to make peace. He sent drones to kill. This is from the highly respected Foreign Affairs Journal, not some bullshit Russian propaganda. Mr. Zelensky and the government there have used their positions to squeeze both the U.S. and Russia for more and more, in a bad faith relationship. In 2021, Mr. Putin asked the government again to enter diplomatic talks. After the fall of the Soviet Union, the Russian government was told NATO would not be expanded. This promise was never kept. And then, in 1997, NATO was expanded out further. Weapons and manpower has been sent to Russia’s borders. Mr. Putin informed the West in 2015 that the Ukraine, Finland, and Sweden must not become members of NATO, and that these are redline points for Russia, as this is a fundamental security issue, for the safety of her people. Again, this was ignored. In a bad faith move, renewed efforts are being made to bring the Ukraine into NATO, in addition, with talks for Sweden and Finland.

Mr. Putin is cornered. He saw what happened in Yugoslavia. It is inevitable for Russia if she is to survive. To make matters worse, in the Ukraine there is a huge neo-Nazi problem. This has been documented by numerous sources. There has been shelling and violence against ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine.

Mr. Putin is faced with the reality that if he doesn’t strike now, the Ukraine will get into NATO and be fully armed and there will be no turning back. He is also tasked with liberating the breakaway areas in Eastern Ukraine. He has tried for years to resolve this, but his efforts are in vain. And so, he is faced with acting for the preservation of his nation or giving up, like Gorbachev did. The latter is unacceptable. He will not let his people suffer that indignity again.

And so, he has chosen to act. He has chosen to act in such a way that civilian life is respected, at least as far as can be achieved in war. But make no mistake, he has made clear that he will succeed. And if it requires a nuclear strike to do it, he will. But failing is not an option. He has chosen the hill he and—we—will die upon.

Further, Mr. Zelensky has acted in bad faith. A few days before the war, he disgustingly delivered a self-serving speech in Munich in which he attempted to guilt the U.S. into doing the paying and fighting for him. Mr. Zelensky has let his country be infested with Nazis. He is not himself a Nazi. And his government is right wing, but not Nazi. But the Azov militas are Nazis, and that is a fact. Attempts to lie about this by the liberals in the U.S. no less make it true.

Instead of giving up and going into exile in the face of overwhelming force, Mr. Zelensky has asked the elderly and the young to fight his battles for him. That is wrong. And it is nothing more than theatrics.

Mr. Putin has chosen to strike, while he still can, for the preservation of his country. Should he be ashamed of that? No.

In this life, there are those who choose to act, and those who choose to be defeated. Mr. Putin, with the support of Mr. Medvedev, have decided that they take a stand for the survival of Russia. And for that, there are no apologies.

War is a horrible and sad tragedy. The loss of innocent life is terrible. But the theologian Reinhold Niebuhr remarked that sometimes it is more sinful to not act than to act. Sometimes, there are no easy or good options. But we must stand for what must be done. In this case, Mr. Putin tried all available options, but the West would not budge. Mr. Putin watched as the U.S. hoard made its way around the globe, devouring Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and other nations in its bloody maw. Mostly for oil. Mostly for riches.

Mr. Putin has made his choice.
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Captain X said:
I did. I see nothing interesting about it. Please explain what you find to be interesting about it.
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It's someone's ideas about what is motivating the Russians on this whole thing - how they see the world, and therefore, why they are acting as they do.
If you don't understand why that's interesting, I'm not going to try to explain.
 
Scottty said:
It's someone's ideas about what is motivating the Russians on this whole thing - how they see the world, and therefore, why they are acting as they do.
If you don't understand why that's interesting, I'm not going to try to explain.
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Oh i'm well aware of Russia's stated motivations over this.
Hell, go read Putin's own essay on the matter (as expected, its less whiny than that, Putin is not fond of using the muh fear argument himself, unlike his defenders).

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

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Scottty said:
It's someone's ideas about what is motivating the Russians on this whole thing - how they see the world, and therefore, why they are acting as they do.
If you don't understand why that's interesting, I'm not going to try to explain.
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The NG out in the Black Sea is most likely the primary motivation for this invasion, and maybe a bit of yandare over a former thrall becoming more friendly to the West. As for what you posted, it just looks like propaganda to me and therefore of little interest.
 
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